Massacre in Kenya

[Drummond]

Ask any Muslim who has done at least a little study about Islam and he would agree with me. You cannot produce a scrap of evidence that these "monsters" acted in accordance with Islam.

TWO postings of a list of Koranic quotes defy your conclusion. Must it be posted a third time ?

And I see you're ducking the issue of your support for Hamas, who themselves say they're Islamic, and WHO ALSO COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM.

Isn't it time you stopped ducking that issue, Jafar, and explain how you reconcile your current stance with ANY support for Hamas, no matter how slight it may (but probably isn't) be !!

[aboutime]

Here's the thing. By 'we all', you're effectively, and even 'logically', trying to group terrorist savages in with decent people. In so doing, you lose any moral high ground (if you ever had it in the first place).

Tell me this. Does an enemy combatant, in the field of battle, automatically have the 'human right' not to be shot and killed ? YES OR NO ?

If 'NO', then I pose this question.

The enemy combatant may be, most probably is, a human being. Yet, if 'no', said combatant, though human, can be killed as the enemy it is.

Now contrast that with a terrorist savage, captured and placed in Gitmo. There, you have enemy combatants, captured in the field of battle, whose lives have been saved by capture. YET, they're demonstrably not human. They don't think as human beings do. They lack the moral standards of humans. They're devoid of human empathy, and capable of killing as casually as others might light a match.

Enter cloud-cuckooland Lefties on to the scene (feel free to identify with same) who argue for the application of 'human rights' of NON humans, over and above the more human enemy combatants whose lives, by being enemies, were forfeit !

WHY should subhuman savages have MORE rights than THEM ?

Feel free, as the Leftie you are, to concoct an answer compatible with whatever Leftie agenda you hold most dear.

Sir Drummond. All that is necessary to know, when conversing in any way with fj. Is to simply observe, and remember the incessant tactic of constantly finding his need to DEFEND.
That is how most liberals, and RINO's respond, and find ways of creating excuses...hidden in their desperate, endlessly defensive plans that avoid any sense of being pushed into a corner...they can never escape from. Much like rats on a sinking ship.
They must concoct...as you said, any methods they have been trained to resort to, at all costs. Which saves them from being held accountable for their statements. None of which, are their own, genuine, original material.
Just watch how this thread progresses, and take note of exactly WHO needs to find excuses, or reasons to further defend something that has No Defense. Falsehoods never do.

[jafar00]

TWO postings of a list of Koranic quotes defy your conclusion. Must it be posted a third time ?

And I see you're ducking the issue of your support for Hamas, who themselves say they're Islamic, and WHO ALSO COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM.

Isn't it time you stopped ducking that issue, Jafar, and explain how you reconcile your current stance with ANY support for Hamas, no matter how slight it may (but probably isn't) be !!

You posted a whole load of out of context verses misinterpreted to fit an agenda by a hate site with no knowledge of what they are talking about. You still have nothing to support this Kenya attack.

PS I care nowt about what you think about Hamas.

[aboutime]

You posted a whole load of out of context verses misinterpreted to fit an agenda by a hate site with no knowledge of what they are talking about. You still have nothing to support this Kenya attack.

PS I care nowt about what you think about Hamas.

Sure thing jafar. Which explains why you HAD to respond. If you didn't care, or were honest. You would have had no reason to reply, respond, or come here to tell us YOU DON'T CARE.

So. How much DID you pay for that bridge across the East River in NYC?

[Drummond]

You posted a whole load of out of context verses misinterpreted to fit an agenda by a hate site with no knowledge of what they are talking about. You still have nothing to support this Kenya attack.

PS I care nowt about what you think about Hamas.

When all else fails, just go into denial, eh ?

I repeat (and you'll go into denial about this, too ..) .. terrorist groups exist across the world, all interpreting Islam as a religion THEY represent, and which THEY see as one they are faithfully serving. They say as much. But, all of those groups, simultaneously managing the same interpretations independently of each other, do so COINCIDENTALLY, whereas you, alone, in defiance of all of them, know better ---

... yeahh ....

You care nowt about what I think about Hamas ? That's OK - you needn't do so.

However - here's a taste of the reality you continue to duck about them. Not MY words, but words from Hamas ....

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm

Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Quzan its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

Hamas regards Nationalism (Wataniyya) as part and parcel of the religious faith. Nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims. And this becomes an individual duty binding on every Muslim man and woman; a woman must go out and fight the enemy even without her husband's authorization, and a slave without his masters' permission.

Peace initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad.

There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.


The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the Hadith has it:


"The people of Syria are Allah's whip on this land; He takes

revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wishes among his

worshippers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from

vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and

sorrow." (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order

of traditionaries to Muhammed, and by Ahmed whose chain of

transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith,

for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)

There y'go, Jafar. Not my words, but words offered directly from the Hamas Charter. All 'nice, peaceful stuff' .. ??

If you support Hamas, YOU SUPPORT ALL OF THIS. I am asking you to reconcile THIS stuff with the vision of a 'peaceful, non-Jihadist' Islam you claim is true of that religion.

Let's see you try. Let's see your basis for supporting Hamas, and also, simultaneously, your stated principles, reconciled with each other. OR WILL YOU RUN FROM CONFRONTING THIS EVIDENT TRUTH YET AGAIN ?

[jafar00]

Drummond, I had no idea Hamas was responsible for the massacre in Kenya. Nice "translation" btw. Quzan? Really? What is that?

[fj1200]

Leftie crutches, unsupported statements, red herrings, and related fallacies ignored.

Here's the thing. By 'we all', you're effectively, and even 'logically', trying to group terrorist savages in with decent people. In so doing, you lose any moral high ground (if you ever had it in the first place).

Tell me this. Does an enemy combatant, in the field of battle, automatically have the 'human right' not to be shot and killed ? YES OR NO ?

If 'NO', then I pose this question.

The enemy combatant may be, most probably is, a human being. Yet, if 'no', said combatant, though human, can be killed as the enemy it is.

Now contrast that with a terrorist savage, captured and placed in Gitmo. There, you have enemy combatants, captured in the field of battle, whose lives have been saved by capture. YET, they're demonstrably not human. They don't think as human beings do. They lack the moral standards of humans. They're devoid of human empathy, and capable of killing as casually as others might light a match.

Enter [those] cloud-cuckooland Lefties on to the scene (feel free to identify with same) who argue for the application of 'human rights' of NON humans, over and above the more human enemy combatants whose lives, by being enemies, were forfeit !

WHY should subhuman savages have MORE rights than THEM ?

Feel free, as the Leftie you are, to concoct an answer compatible with whatever Leftie agenda you hold most dear.

By "we all" I'm merely noting what is an unfortunate truth, that you share the same status as a "terrorist savage"; human. Nevertheless, an enemy combatant in the field of battle, as does a soldier, has "human rights" but doesn't have the right to not be shot; an unfortunate truth of war. Now, the last fallacy upon which your argument hangs: No lives were "forfeit," lives may not have been lost in battle but a survivors life was not forfeit. No one has more rights than anyone else.

Now, if you could point out where right-thinking individuals have argued that terrorists have more rights than others that would be helpful.

[Drummond]

You just can't leave my text alone, can you ? Does it bother you THAT much ?

Leftie crutches, unsupported statements, red herrings, and related fallacies ignored.

You, ignoring your own posts ?? I admire your taste ...

By "we all" I'm merely noting what is an unfortunate truth, that you share the same status as a "terrorist savage"; human.

Er'm, no. What that is, FJ, is an unfortunate LIE. I am in no sense comparable to a terrorist savage, and - as you'll of course know - to claim that I am is considerably insulting.

Have I ever had the urge (much less done it !!) to fly jet aircraft into skyscrapers ? To detonate bombs on the London Underground ? To behead anyone ? To plant IED's at roadsides to kill anyone unfortunate enough to get near to one ? To fire missiles at innocent Israelis ? And much MORE along these same DISGUSTING, BLOODLUST-FUELLED lines ?? NO, I HAVE NOT, AND NO INDIVIDUAL WORTHY OF THE DESCRIPTION 'HUMAN' EVER HAS, EITHER.

So I'll thank you to keep such Leftie rot to yourself !!!

There is absolutely NO way that the terrorists you've considered are 'human', and if you're being honest, you'll now admit as much.

Nevertheless, an enemy combatant in the field of battle, as does a soldier, has "human rights" but doesn't have the right to not be shot;

Those that are human have human rights. Those that are not human (i.e terrorists) have Lefties falling over themselves to confer such 'rights' to them.

No one has more rights than anyone else.

It's at times like these that any pretention you might indulge that you're not a Leftie is shown to be ridiculous. For the reasons given, TERRORISTS CANNOT QUALIFY AS HUMAN. Indeed, they are lower forms of life than rodents, since no rodent I've ever heard of detonates bombs against innocents.

Now, if you could point out where right-thinking individuals have argued that terrorists have more rights than others that would be helpful.

RIGHT THINKING INDIVIDUALS ??? Care to explain that one ??!!???

[Drummond]

Drummond, I had no idea Hamas was responsible for the massacre in Kenya.

Neither did I. Still, do you know for an absolute fact that they are in no way, shape or form, linked to any of it at least indirectly ?

[That's a serious question, by the way. To suppose that all terrorist groups are always entirely autonomous and never maintain links with others is simplistic and just wrong. Al Qaeda, for example, is known to have 'affiliates'.]

Nice "translation" btw.

Glad you approve, Jafar.

Quzan? Really? What is that?

So let me get this straight. In answer to my pointing out the true nature of Hamas, and questioning how you can, much less DO, maintain support for them ... your only answer is to highlight a typo involving the misprinting of ONE, SINGLE, letter ?????



Your attempts to duck my overall point, and my questioning .. are similarly ....



.... but at least you appear to be enjoying your evasiveness ....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Neither did I. Still, do you know for an absolute fact that they are in no way, shape or form, linked to any of it at least indirectly ?

[That's a serious question, by the way. To suppose that all terrorist groups are always entirely autonomous and never maintain links with others is simplistic and just wrong. Al Qaeda, for example, is known to have 'affiliates'.]



Glad you approve, Jafar.



So let me get this straight. In answer to my pointing out the true nature of Hamas, and questioning how you can, much less DO, maintain support for them ... your only answer is to highlight a typo involving the misprinting of ONE, SINGLE, letter ?????

Quzan? Really? What is that?

Your attempts to duck my overall point, and my questioning .. are similarly ....

OK, here is my interpretation for what it is worth to you guys..

Quzan? Really? What is that?

Down here in the South we say, My Quzan , Billy Wayne, lived with my Aunt Edna until SHE RAN HIM OFF FOR DRINKING ALL HER MOONSHINE !! BIG FAMILIES DOWN HERE , lots of Quzans. ---Tyr

[Drummond]

OK, here is my interpretation for what it is worth to you guys.. Down here in the South we say, My Quzan , Billy Wayne, lived with my Aunt Edna until SHE RAN HIM OFF FOR DRINKING ALL HER MOONSHINE !! BIG FAMILIES DOWN HERE , lots of Quzans. ---Tyr

-- Good one, Tyr !

And it could explain much .... maybe Hamas are, when you get down to it, just alcohol-addled followers of paedophile legends ?

Any thoughts on that one, Jafar ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

-- Good one, Tyr !

And it could explain much .... maybe Hamas are, when you get down to it, just alcohol-addled followers of paedophile legends ?

Any thoughts on that one, Jafar ?

Perhaps Jafar is a big fan of Hamas because of his Quzan, Jaclose being a member or something, family counts you know . I mean maybe it's his favorite Quzan too. --Tyr

[red states rule]

It is clear Kenya needs to pass common sense gun laws now before more people are killed. Ban those damn assault weapons and the problem will be solved. After all that worked in Chicago didn't it?

[Arbo]

Jafar, I don't know why you bother with these nuckleheads, but if you want to play the same game, simply point out they are just like the Army of God, Lambs of Christ, or any of the numerous christian based terrorist groups. Hell, considering the venom and hate they have shown for homosexuals you could lump them in with Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptists.

That they share the same religion with those people/groups, shows that their whole religion is horrible and full of terrorists, right? Isn't that the angle they use?

[fj1200]

You just can't leave my text alone, can you ? Does it bother you THAT much ?

I do it as a service to the other posters so that they can note your mindless drivel and attempt to move on to more important matters. I know you get all butt hurt when portions of your posts are stricken so I thought I'd go with a different option. You like the color no? I chose it just for you.

You, ignoring your own posts ?? I admire your taste ...

My posts are the only examples of rational thought between the two of us.

Er'm, no. What that is, FJ, is an unfortunate LIE. I am in no sense comparable to a terrorist savage, and - as you'll of course know - to claim that I am is considerably insulting.

Have I ever had the urge (much less done it !!) to fly jet aircraft into skyscrapers ? To detonate bombs on the London Underground ? To behead anyone ? To plant IED's at roadsides to kill anyone unfortunate enough to get near to one ? To fire missiles at innocent Israelis ? And much MORE along these same DISGUSTING, BLOODLUST-FUELLED lines ?? NO, I HAVE NOT, AND NO INDIVIDUAL WORTHY OF THE DESCRIPTION 'HUMAN' EVER HAS, EITHER.

So I'll thank you to keep such Leftie rot to yourself !!!

There is absolutely NO way that the terrorists you've considered are 'human', and if you're being honest, you'll now admit as much.

Nevertheless, true it is. Besides, I'm sure that they have as much disdain as you for them.

Those that are human have human rights. Those that are not human (i.e terrorists) have Lefties falling over themselves to confer such 'rights' to them.

It's at times like these that any pretention you might indulge that you're not a Leftie is shown to be ridiculous. For the reasons given, TERRORISTS CANNOT QUALIFY AS HUMAN. Indeed, they are lower forms of life than rodents, since no rodent I've ever heard of detonates bombs against innocents.

Blah, blah, blah. I already pointed out that all individuals are human so end of discussion on that point.

RIGHT THINKING INDIVIDUALS ??? Care to explain that one ??!!???

As in me and not you. So, will you be pointing out where right-thinking individuals have argued that terrorists have more rights than others ????!!!!????