Queer enablers = liars

[musicman]

Aside from our country's indifferent attitude towards poverty...

Please elaborate.

[LuvRPgrl]

I'm a supporter of the gay rights but I've never alleged that homosexuality was any of the above. My beef is that the "right" actively pursues policy and legislation that specifically discriminates against gays and then they parade around disguising their blatant bigotry as righteousness and piety. Aside from our country's indifferent attitude towards poverty, the "rights'" modern crusade against the gay community is the biggest injustice in the US since before the civil rights movement in the 60s.

What the hell are gay rights?

Defining marriage as a man and woman is not discriminating against gay rights.

First, marriage is a privledge, not a right
Second, I hardly doubt any group would support POV's that would discriminate against their own group, yet a very large number of homosexuals are either in agreement, or totally indifferent to marriage between a man and woman.

[nevadamedic]

This thread needs to be put in the Steel Cage.

[glockmail]

This thread needs to be put in the Steel Cage.

Because the enablers always start insulting truth tellers?

[nevadamedic]

Because the enablers always start insulting truth tellers?

Other way around.

[Doniston]

In another thread I have been attacked as having "issues" because I have a adverse opinion of queers and post my opinion often on the queer threads. The fact is that I do it because I don't like being lied to, and the entire queer "industry" is based on several huge lies. I would argue that the queer enablers are the ones with "issues", as they don't mind being lied to, and in fact perpetuate the lies.

Some of the Big Lies about Homosexuality. It is:

1. normal
2. natural
3. healthy
4. 10% of the population
5. not a choice
6. moral

Any that I missed?

No, in fact you added about four imaginary ones.

[Lightning Waltz]

Some of the Big Lies about Homosexuality. It is:

1. normal
2. natural
3. healthy
4. 10% of the population
5. not a choice
6. moral

My views (and no, these are not lies).
1. Normal -- very subjective term. I bet any one of us can come up with 10 things they are that aren't "normal". Examples for me: atheist, would rather watch MASH reruns over American Idol, hates the new Pirates movies (all of them), etc... So, being gay may not be "normal", but I really don't see how that's a horrible thing... If everyone were normal, we'd be the Borg.

2. Natural -- since homosexuality occurs in nature, I don't see how homosexuality isn't "natural"...sorry, can't agree with you on this one.

3. Healthy -- I haven't seen anything that indicates that homosexuality, in an of itself, is unhealthy.

4. 10% of the population -- no idea on the number of homosexuals there are in society. Not really all that important to me, either.

5. Not a choice -- as with most things with humans, I think homosexuality is partly engrained, and partly choice. Humans choose to do some pretty weird things. But, I think that homosexuals aren't completely choosing their lifestyle, either. This goes into the whole "free choice" thing (a concept that I don't believe in, anyway). So, at some level, I doubt that anyone has a choice...but on the level that you are talking about, I think it's about 30% choice, 70% hard-wired (pulling that out of my ass, but that's what I suspect).

6. Moral -- I think that homosexuality is as moral or immoral as having a favorite flavor of ice cream (that is to say, no morality involved either way).

[glockmail]

My views (and no, these are not lies).
1. Normal -- very subjective term. I bet any one of us can come up with 10 things they are that aren't "normal". Examples for me: atheist, would rather watch MASH reruns over American Idol, hates the new Pirates movies (all of them), etc... So, being gay may not be "normal", but I really don't see how that's a horrible thing... If everyone were normal, we'd be the Borg.

2. Natural -- since homosexuality occurs in nature, I don't see how homosexuality isn't "natural"...sorry, can't agree with you on this one.

3. Healthy -- I haven't seen anything that indicates that homosexuality, in an of itself, is unhealthy.

4. 10% of the population -- no idea on the number of homosexuals there are in society. Not really all that important to me, either.

5. Not a choice -- as with most things with humans, I think homosexuality is partly engrained, and partly choice. Humans choose to do some pretty weird things. But, I think that homosexuals aren't completely choosing their lifestyle, either. This goes into the whole "free choice" thing (a concept that I don't believe in, anyway). So, at some level, I doubt that anyone has a choice...but on the level that you are talking about, I think it's about 30% choice, 70% hard-wired (pulling that out of my ass, but that's what I suspect).

6. Moral -- I think that homosexuality is as moral or immoral as having a favorite flavor of ice cream (that is to say, no morality involved either way).

4. It is important as it ties into the idea of normality. The real percentage, based on the latest US census as well as other scientific data, suggests that the actual percentage is very close to 1%. Any percentage less than 5% is statistically abnormal.

1. Addressed above.
2. Its not natural because it doesn’t occur without human intervention.
3. On April 25, 2001, the CDC reported that "We are seeing substantial increases in sexually transmitted diseases among men who have sex with men in multiple locations across this country."
Associated Press, April 25, 2001: Queers are responsible for the "first sexually transmitted outbreak of typhoid fever" in the history of the United States. This disease is caused by ingesting human feces.
Reuters, Feb. 5, 2001: more than 10% of queers in major U.S. urban areas are infected with HIV. To this day, they still make up more than 50% of reported AIDS cases in the United States.
5. Assuming for a moment that you are correct, that 30% choose to be queer. How many of those who made this decision did so because they were told it was normal, natural, healthy and moral?
6. Morality is defined in the Bible, and as such queerness is immoral.

[Lightning Waltz]

2. Its not natural because it doesn’t occur without human intervention.

So driving a car isn't natrual...firing a gun...watching TV...etc.

3. On April 25, 2001, the CDC reported that "We are seeing substantial increases in sexually transmitted diseases among men who have sex with men in multiple locations across this country."

That doesn't say that homosexuality is the cause of the problems. You have established no causal connection.

Associated Press, April 25, 2001: Queers are responsible for the "first sexually transmitted outbreak of typhoid fever" in the history of the United States. This disease is caused by ingesting human feces.

And straights couldn't have caused this? Again, no causal connection.

Reuters, Feb. 5, 2001: more than 10% of queers in major U.S. urban areas are infected with HIV. To this day, they still make up more than 50% of reported AIDS cases in the United States.

Look up stats on HIV world-wide...

5. Assuming for a moment that you are correct, that 30% choose to be queer. How many of those who made this decision did so because they were told it was normal, natural, healthy and moral?

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying that 30% choose to be gay, but that the "choice" is based on 30% actual CHOOSING one way or the other, and 70%, that's the way they are hardwired to be.

Actually, let me amend that. I think that everyone is kind of on a sliding scale. Some people are "hardwired" 100% straight and couldn't be gay if they wanted to be. Some people are "hardwired" 100% gay and couldn't be straight if they wanted to be. Most people are some mix. 95/5, 50/50, 5/95, whatever... From there, people can, and have acted against their natures to varying degrees of sucess.

But, for the record, I doubt that anyone was "convinced" or somehow "talked into" being gay...

6. Morality is defined in the Bible, and as such queerness is immoral.

That book has some interesting things to say on slavery, too. I reject the bible as a moral guide, obviously.

[glockmail]

[1]So driving a car isn't natrual...firing a gun...watching TV...etc.



[2]That doesn't say that homosexuality is the cause of the problems. You have established no causal connection.
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And straights couldn't have caused this? Again, no causal connection.



[3]Look up stats on HIV world-wide...



[4]You misunderstood me. I'm not saying that 30% choose to be gay, but that the "choice" is based on 30% actual CHOOSING one way or the other, and 70%, that's the way they are hardwired to be.

[5]Actually, let me amend that. I think that everyone is kind of on a sliding scale. Some people are "hardwired" 100% straight and couldn't be gay if they wanted to be. Some people are "hardwired" 100% gay and couldn't be straight if they wanted to be. Most people are some mix. 95/5, 50/50, 5/95, whatever... From there, people can, and have acted against their natures to varying degrees of sucess.

[6]But, for the record, I doubt that anyone was "convinced" or somehow "talked into" being gay...



That book has some interesting things to say on slavery, too. I reject the bible as a moral guide, obviously.

1. Correct. None of those are natural. The point here is that no one is lying to me and saying that they are.
2. I’m not going to argue the obvious here.
3. I’ll let you do that.
4. No misunderstanding here, babe. I could choose to be a murderer, a rapist, or a queer. I choose none of those.
5. Nice theory, but billions have been spent trying to find a gay gene, and none found. The money would have been better spent on education, IMO.
6. Sure they were. It starts from a very early age, with the lies, as stated in post 1.

[Lightning Waltz]

1. Correct. None of those are natural. The point here is that no one is lying to me and saying that they are.

Then as I said before, not being "normal"...isn't that big of a deal.

4. No misunderstanding here, babe. I could choose to be a murderer, a rapist, or a queer. I choose none of those.

Could you really choose to be homosexual? You are open and honest enough with your own sexuality, that you could see yourself being gay if you wanted to be?

5. Nice theory, but billions have been spent trying to find a gay gene, and none found. The money would have been better spent on education, IMO.

Heh, you first state that we haven't found any "Gay gene", which is true. Of course, we haven't found many, many genes, so I'm not sure that's so surprising. Next you insinuate that we shouldn't look... Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy...

6. Sure they were. It starts from a very early age, with the lies, as stated in post 1.

Prove it.

[Missileman]

4. It is important as it ties into the idea of normality. The real percentage, based on the latest US census as well as other scientific data, suggests that the actual percentage is very close to 1%

Speaking of lies...that's a huge one. It's more like 3.5%.

And for the record, please elaborate on this less than 5% = abnormal thing that you've posted a couple times now. I'd like to see you provide a link to a text that supports that claim.

[glockmail]

Speaking of lies...that's a huge one. It's more like 3.5%.

And for the record, please elaborate on this less than 5% = abnormal thing that you've posted a couple times now. I'd like to see you provide a link to a text that supports that claim.

1.

U.S. CENSUS DATA SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES ACCOUNT FOR 1 PERCENT OF ALL COUPLES
WASHINGTON, March 13, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Census Bureau released a Census 2000 report on married- and unmarried-couple households today. The 16-page report, Married-Couple and Unmarried-Partner Households: 2000, indicates that homosexual couples account for only 1 percent of all couples - married and non-married. Of the 60 million households headed by couples, 0.6 million were headed by same-sex partners.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/mar/03031302.html

And confirmed by a pro-queer site.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/USA/USA.htm

2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standar...stributed_data

[Missileman]

1.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/mar/03031302.html

And confirmed by a pro-queer site.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/USA/USA.htm

It was already proven that your conclusions based on couples was illogical and useless. I also presented solid evidence that the figure is more like 3.5%.

2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standar...stributed_data

I read the entire article, and there isn't a single thing there that says 5% is the "normal" cutoff. Nice try though.

[GW in Ohio]

In another thread I have been attacked as having "issues" because I have a adverse opinion of queers and post my opinion often on the queer threads. The fact is that I do it because I don't like being lied to, and the entire queer "industry" is based on several huge lies. I would argue that the queer enablers are the ones with "issues", as they don't mind being lied to, and in fact perpetuate the lies.

Some of the Big Lies about Homosexuality. It is:

1. normal
2. natural
3. healthy
4. 10% of the population
5. not a choice
6. moral

Any that I missed?

Yes. Gay bashers are not all closet queens.