Nelson Mandela facts you won't hear from the Mainstream Press

[fj1200]

and should we say that the south african gov't treated the afriacans like angels?

You wouldn't be suggesting would you that the whites always acted to protect the women and children of the blacks would you? That would be shocking.

[gabosaurus]

I seem to remember that many on this board had their feathers greatly ruffled when shots were taken at Margaret Thatcher upon her death. Yet you have chosen the occasion of Nelson Mandela's death to launch an attack on him?

Why not just remember and respect him as a great world leader? Or does your personal racial prejudices prevent you from doing such?
There, I said it. You are not comfortable in your own skins, do you come down on those in different colored skins. I bet you supported Rhodesia as well.

How can any of you who derided whose who celebrate Thatcher's death turn around and laud the death of Mandela? It merely shows what kind of people you are.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I seem to remember that many on this board had their feathers greatly ruffled when shots were taken at Margaret Thatcher upon her death. Yet you have chosen the occasion of Nelson Mandela's death to launch an attack on him?

Why not just remember and respect him as a great world leader? Or does your personal racial prejudices prevent you from doing such?
There, I said it. You are not comfortable in your own skins, do you come down on those in different colored skins. I bet you supported Rhodesia as well.

How can any of you who derided whose who celebrate Thatcher's death turn around and laud the death of Mandela? It merely shows what kind of people you are.

I made no great attack upon him myselfand certainly did not laud his death.. I did acknowledge the truth. He quite likely did emerge from prison a different man that he was before he went in. That doesn't change what he did before he went in and it wasn't the image which is being portrayed to the masses now. It was murder, terror and bombings. Despite the cause he was a terrorist but they now craft an image of him being some kind, generous and honorable hero struggling against the great Satan. Truth needs to be told not this leftist style standard propaganda that lauds terrorists and praises their actions. As a general rule no true history/image of a leader ever comes out until they have been dead at least 50 years or more. He was a man (IMPERFECT AS WE ALL ARE) not a skin color Gabby, why toss that in? Thatcher never murdered people and never served time for murder and bombing Gabby. MANDELA PRISON SENTENCE WAS NOT A TRUMPED UP CHARGE. Consider that if you can. --Tyr

[jimnyc]

I seem to remember that many on this board had their feathers greatly ruffled when shots were taken at Margaret Thatcher upon her death. Yet you have chosen the occasion of Nelson Mandela's death to launch an attack on him?

Why not just remember and respect him as a great world leader? Or does your personal racial prejudices prevent you from doing such?
There, I said it. You are not comfortable in your own skins, do you come down on those in different colored skins. I bet you supported Rhodesia as well.

How can any of you who derided whose who celebrate Thatcher's death turn around and laud the death of Mandela? It merely shows what kind of people you are.

If someone wants to simply discuss events from his life, even pointing out the negative, I think that's normal after a death. Outside of that, believe it or not, I do agree with you. Now wouldn't be the time to attack the man. While I am firmly against various things, like those LA pointed out, I also acknowledge he did a lot of good in his life. But keep in mind, there's a big difference between going over his life, and attacking him - or even worse, making fun of an ailment or such just after his death, as some did with Ronald Reagan.

But this doesn't mean people MUST remember him as a great world leader. One can still remember him in a negative light AND respect him during the mourning period. Just as I highly doubt you respected RR as a great world leader, especially considering you called him, I think it was an "eggplant" because of his ailment?

[tailfins]

I seem to remember that many on this board had their feathers greatly ruffled when shots were taken at Margaret Thatcher upon her death. Yet you have chosen the occasion of Nelson Mandela's death to launch an attack on him?

Why not just remember and respect him as a great world leader? Or does your personal racial prejudices prevent you from doing such?
There, I said it. You are not comfortable in your own skins, do you come down on those in different colored skins. I bet you supported Rhodesia as well.

How can any of you who derided whose who celebrate Thatcher's death turn around and laud the death of Mandela? It merely shows what kind of people you are.

Mandela is no more a world leader than Kim Jong-Il or Robert Mugabe.

[aboutime]

Sounds like Gabby would prefer all of us show how much we are hypocrites, and say nothing but nice, sweet things about someone who once was called a Terrorist by our nation.

That's almost like saying...after learning of his suicide. How Hitler might have been a pretty nice guy to have a few beers with during Octoberfest in Germany. But never turn your back on him.

[gabosaurus]

But this doesn't mean people MUST remember him as a great world leader. One can still remember him in a negative light AND respect him during the mourning period. Just as I highly doubt you respected RR as a great world leader, especially considering you called him, I think it was an "eggplant" because of his ailment?

None of you felt the same way when I pointed out that a great many folks actually celebrated the death of the UK's Iron Maiden. You felt it was crass that such statements were made immediately after death.
I am surprised at how many of you continue to support apartheid and the principles of racial inequality. But I support your right as a free American to be a redneck.

[Jeff]

I have to agree with those that say ya shouldn't bash the guy after he dies, with that said a great world leader hardly ( at least we know how some will remember Obama ) but he was human so I wont trash him but I did find this article interesting ( it probably has the same info as what LA had posted but if so don't read it )

“There is nothing sacred or inherently superior about non-violent methods of struggle.”

—Nelson Mandela

With the media gushing about the greatness of Nelson Mandela now on the day after his death, a counterpoint with the rest of the story is badly needed. Below are a few video interviews of South African missionary Peter Hammond, who tells the real truth about Mandela.
Portrayed as a liberator by the media, Mandela was a Marxist and convicted terrorist. Hammond relates of Mandela:

http://americanvision.org/9813/missi....UwEeJc4M.dpbs

[jimnyc]

None of you felt the same way when I pointed out that a great many folks actually celebrated the death of the UK's Iron Maiden. You felt it was crass that such statements were made immediately after death.
I am surprised at how many of you continue to support apartheid and the principles of racial inequality. But I support your right as a free American to be a redneck.

Can you REALLY not see the difference, right after a death, between discussing the negative aspect of one of those leaders lives - and tossing out names about those recently deceased? Pointing out FACTS and discussing negative aspects of ones life, right after they die, is normal in my book, so long as discussed tactfully. But to immediately toss out names and ridicule in an immature manner? There's a HUGE difference between pointing out who Nelson Mandela was prior to prison, and discussing that - opposed to calling someone an eggplant, aka vegetable, because they had alzheimers and couldn't function properly.

Actually, I'm starting to believe that you don't see these things, that you do think it's OK and normal. Again, speaks volumes about YOU.

As for your last sentences - even if all of us were against racism and apartheid - do you think violence is the resolution to those problems? I don't know why I even bother, as we all know you're incapable of having a rational and mature discussion.

[jimnyc]

But I support your right as a free American to be a redneck.

Why would you CONTINUALLY avoid and dodge ANY type of an official debate with people you think are beneath you? I suppose it would in fact suck if you completely got your ass handed to you from the very people you think you're mocking.

Honestly, you REALLY need to rethink the way you post, IMO. No, not censored, as you're allowed to continue posting anyway you like. But your posts have become more and more personal as of late, and you have zero desire to contribute and discuss and it seems all you care about is being a troll. Sure, I know your comeback will be to point at others, and I know some do troll - but every other person here gets involved in non-stop discussions, even if you disagree with their stances. You don't even make that effort.

[tailfins]

Why would you CONTINUALLY avoid and dodge ANY type of an official debate with people you think are beneath you? I suppose it would in fact suck if you completely got your ass handed to you from the very people you think you're mocking.

Honestly, you REALLY need to rethink the way you post, IMO. No, not censored, as you're allowed to continue posting anyway you like. But your posts have become more and more personal as of late, and you have zero desire to contribute and discuss and it seems all you care about is being a troll. Sure, I know your comeback will be to point at others, and I know some do troll - but every other person here gets involved in non-stop discussions, even if you disagree with their stances. You don't even make that effort.

Let us not forget that Gabby married her prosperity. All she is fit to be is a submissive little lady.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have to agree with those that say ya shouldn't bash the guy after he dies, with that said a great world leader hardly ( at least we know how some will remember Obama ) but he was human so I wont trash him but I did find this article interesting ( it probably has the same info as what LA had posted but if so don't read it )





http://americanvision.org/9813/missi....UwEeJc4M.dpbs

In my opinion Mandela came out of prison a different man but than does not excuse , validate or make up for the man he was before going into prison. One can not make up for terrorism, bombings and murder by being good the last third of one's life IMHO. THE MAN ILL-SERVED A VERY JUST CAUSE. The world always forgets the deceased in favor of a living hero be that hero good or bad. It easier to praise a famous man and forget his great misdeeds especially if he was a socialist that ended up being a President. Damn , after reading that it occurred to me , was I just speaking of Mandela or Obama!??- --Tyr

[Drummond]

None of you felt the same way when I pointed out that a great many folks actually celebrated the death of the UK's Iron Maiden. You felt it was crass that such statements were made immediately after death.

Gabby, Mandela's earlier life was one of being a terrorist. Worse, he LED a group of them .. the terrorist wing of the ANC. This fact is not in dispute .. he was tried and convicted of terrorist offences. He pleaded GUILTY to those offences - offences which involved the deaths of innocent men, women and children.

Margaret Thatcher was never a terrorist, but an OPPONENT of them. She was never tried or convicted of any such crime. She was one of the greatest world leaders THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN.

Mandela, however, was a terrorist.

Who else but a Leftie - or another terrorist ? - would unswervingly see Mandela as GOOD, and Lady Thatcher as BAD .. ???

[KarlMarx]

I seem to remember that many on this board had their feathers greatly ruffled when shots were taken at Margaret Thatcher upon her death. Yet you have chosen the occasion of Nelson Mandela's death to launch an attack on him?

Why not just remember and respect him as a great world leader? Or does your personal racial prejudices prevent you from doing such?
There, I said it. You are not comfortable in your own skins, do you come down on those in different colored skins. I bet you supported Rhodesia as well.

How can any of you who derided whose who celebrate Thatcher's death turn around and laud the death of Mandela? It merely shows what kind of people you are.

Interesting that you brought up Thatcher's death. Not a single person from this administration attended Margaret Thatcher's funeral. Yet, Margaret Thatcher helped bring down the Soviet Union. She did just as much as Mandela, if not more so, to advance the cause of freedom. The Obama administration in effect told the British to go to hell and not bother to write..

But hey, she was a conservative and, as one, could do no right in the Left's eyes. Just as Nelson Mandela can do no wrong.

[jimnyc]

Gabby, Mandela's earlier life was one of being a terrorist.

Even the USA had him listed as a terrorist prior to his prison time. That doesn't mean I disrespect his change and leadership that he eventually displayed, but pointing out his younger days is simply fact. I'm not tossing around names looking to make fun of the deceased, as Gabby is fond of, and then hypocritically claims she has an issue with others doing it, even if she is wrong as usual.