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    Default How can we stop the polar bear from dying out due to global warming?

    It is a well known fact, to most of us at least that global warming is causing the ice floes to melt off the Arctic, and polar bears are drowning due to having to swim far greater distances than before in search of food, and not being able to return to dry land.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

    Global warming sees polar bears stranded on melting ice

    They cling precariously to the top of what is left of the ice floe, their fragile grip the perfect symbol of the tragedy of global warming.

    Captured on film by Canadian environmentalists, the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice.

    Although the magnificent creatures are well adapted to the water, and can swim scores of miles to solid land, the distance is getting ever greater as the Arctic ice diminishes.

    "Swimming 100 miles is not a big deal for a polar bear, especially a fat one," said Dr Ian Stirling of the Canadian Wildlife Service.

    "They just kind of float along and kick. But as the ice gets farther out from shore because of warming, it’s a longer swim that costs more energy and makes them more vulnerable."



    The plight of the bears was highlighted as the prospect of a gloomy future emerged from leaks of the most comprehensive report into global warming yet undertaken, which is to be published on Friday.

    Concluding that it is "highly likely" that mankind is to blame for climate change, it talks of more droughts, torrential rains, shrinking Arctic ice and glaciers, and rising sea levels for the next century.

    And it warns that the effects of a build-up of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere will last far longer.

    Studies of polar bears have revealed that not only have their numbers declined – by nearly one quarter in just 20 years to around 25,000 – but so has their physique.

    The bears can be 10ft tall and 1700lbs in weight, using their body fat to keep them alive when the temperatures plummet in the harshest part of their winter to minus 45C.

    But the scientists have observed that in the struggle for survival, the bears - and females especially - are now much thinner.

    Scientists believe that four bears which recently drowned off the coast of Alaska had simply been unable to cope with a violent storm.

    Dr Stirling says that the phenomenon of a female giving birth to triplets is now part of history with usually only single cubs recorded. Soon, he says, the species may be extinct.

    Usually at this time of year, polar bears would be sheltering with their young in the dens they carve for themselves in mountain slopes near the shoreline or in snowdrifts on the sea ice.

    But global warming, which has raised the temperature in the Canadian Arctic by 4C in the last 50 years, means their habitat is inexorably disappearing.

    In Hudson Bay where the ice melts completely in summer, scientists have noted that it is now happening three weeks earlier than normal.

    This is having a catastrophic effect on the bears which hunt seals over the winter and spring before coming ashore where they rely on their build-up of body fat to survive – and feed their cubs.

    Reports are now being received of polar bears, perfectly equipped for Arctic survival with two coats of insulating fur and a four inch layer of blubber, scavenging for scraps in rubbish tips and camp sites.

    Scientists say the survival of polar bears may rely on special conservation areas, but even that seems a forlorn hope with a United Nations report expected to say that sea levels will carry on rising for over 1,000 years even if greenhouse gases can be curbed.

    The report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change draws on the work of 2,500 researchers from more than 130 nations and is the most comprehensive overview of climate change for guiding policy-makers.

    It will say that global warming was "very likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change conference said.

    Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats have been editing the new report in closed-door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously approved, is to be released today.

    Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very likely" in yesterday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a 90 percent chance that global warming is caused by humans.

    The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which means a 99 percent chance.

    The report is considered an authoritative document that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

    • Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore has been nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his wide-reaching efforts to draw the world's attention to the dangers of global warming, it emerged when nominations closed.
    There are some that steadfastly deny the occurence of global warming despite the mountains of evidence proving it, but the more rational amongst us acknowledge that it is indeed a problem.

    How do we save the bears?

    Your thoughts and comments on this important issue would be much appreciated.

    Rahul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    It is a well known fact, to most of us at least that global warming is causing the ice floes to melt off the Arctic, and polar bears are drowning due to having to swim far greater distances than before in search of food, and not being able to return to dry land.



    There are some that steadfastly deny the occurence of global warming despite the mountains of evidence proving it, but the more rational amongst us acknowledge that it is indeed a problem.

    How do we save the bears?

    Your thoughts and comments on this important issue would be much appreciated.

    Rahul
    Killing all the people outta do it--I mean at least it's a start. If that doesn't do it and the Earth continues to warm, some other species can give it a shot.

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    Are Polar Bears Dying?

    A new study by Dr. David Legates, Delaware's State Climatologist and director of the University of Delaware's Center for Climatic Research, throws cold water on the claim that global warming threatens to cause the extinction of polar bears.
    Scare Unwarranted

    As part of his study titled Climate Science: Climate Change and its Impacts, expected at press time to be released in April of this year, Legates reviewed assertions by environmental alarmists that global warming is causing an unnatural increase in Arctic temperatures, posing a threat to the thickness and extent of sea ice required by polar bears. In particular, Legates examined claims made in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (Arctic Assessment), an international project of the Arctic Council--an intergovernmental forum consisting of representatives from eight Arctic nations and six groups representing indigenous peoples.

    After careful review, Legates found the Arctic Assessment claims of an impending, human-induced arctic meltdown are "not supported by the evidence."

    The Arctic Assessment claimed Arctic air temperature trends provide an early and strong indication of global warming causing polar ice caps and glaciers to melt. However, Legates points out that current research suggests this conclusion is unwarranted.

    For example, coastal stations in Greenland are experiencing a cooling trend, and average summer air temperatures at the summit of the Greenland Ice Sheet have decreased at the rate of 4º F (2.2º C) per decade since measurements began in 1987.
    Arctic Russia Cooling

    In addition, observes Legates, the Arctic Assessment ignored a relatively recent long-term analysis of records from coastal stations in Russia.

    Russian coastal station records of both the extent of sea ice and the thickness of fast ice (ice fixed to the shoreline or seafloor) extending back 125 years show significant variability over 60- to 80-year periods. Moreover, the maximum air temperature they report for the twentieth century was in 1938, when it was nearly 0.4º F (0.2º C) warmer than the air temperature for 2000. According to Legates, the Russian observations do "not support [claims of] amplified warming in Polar Regions predicted by general circulation models."
    Earth Warmer Before

    Legates also points out that even if warming was happening, research shows such warming has occurred before, as ice cores from Baffin Island and sea core sediments from the Chukchi Sea (north of the Bering Straight between Alaska and Russia) show.

    For example, in Alaska the onset of a climatic shift--a warming--in 1976-1977 ended a multi-decade trend of cold in the middle of the twentieth century. This simply returned temperatures to those experienced in the early years of the century.
    Warming a Minor Factor

    According to the Arctic Assessment, human-caused warming in the Arctic will necessarily lead to decreased sea ice extent and thickness. However, Legates notes air temperature is only one of the factors that dictate sea ice coverage and thickness.

    When the Arctic is relatively calm, for example, it is easier for sea ice to form. Sea ice is then moved around the Arctic by the force of the wind. During stormy periods, surface winds churn the water and move existing ice, making it more difficult for sea ice to form.

    Reinforcing that point, Legates highlights a study commissioned by Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans, which concluded, "the possible impact of global warming appears to play a minor role in changes to Arctic sea ice." According to Legates, the "Canadian study concluded that changing wind patterns are the primary cause of changing sea ice distributions. Moreover, the response of sea ice in the Antarctic has been quite different--while it has decreased in the Arctic, it has remained relatively constant (or even increased slightly) in the Antarctic since 1978."
    Bear Population Steady

    The Arctic Assessment concludes, "global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them." This is misleading, Legates finds, because, as discussed above, Arctic air temperatures were as high as present temperatures in the 1930s and polar bears survived.

    According to the World Wildlife Fund, about 20 distinct polar bear populations currently exist, accounting for approximately 22,000 polar bears worldwide. Of those distinct populations only two, representing about 16.4 percent of the total population, are decreasing. At the same time, 10 populations representing approximately 45.4 percent of the total population are stable, and 2 populations representing about 13.6 percent of the total number of polar bears are increasing. The status of the remaining populations is unknown.

    "This [the Arctic Assessment] is nothing more than a poorly designed attempt to implement the Kyoto Protocol through the back door," said Peyton Knight, director of environmental and regulatory affairs at the National Center for Public Policy Research. "You don't list endangered species based on speculative predictions," said Knight; "you list them because there are small numbers of the species and the numbers are in fact dwindling. This is not called the 'someday-might-possibly-become-endangered-if-our-speculative-claims-prove-true' list."

    http://www.globalwarming.nottinghams...olarbears.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Are Polar Bears Dying?

    A new study by Dr. David Legates, Delaware's State Climatologist and director of the University of Delaware's Center for Climatic Research, throws cold water on the claim that global warming threatens to cause the extinction of polar bears.
    Scare Unwarranted

    As part of his study titled Climate Science: Climate Change and its Impacts, expected at press time to be released in April of this year, Legates reviewed assertions by environmental alarmists that global warming is causing an unnatural increase in Arctic temperatures, posing a threat to the thickness and extent of sea ice required by polar bears. In particular, Legates examined claims made in the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (Arctic Assessment), an international project of the Arctic Council--an intergovernmental forum consisting of representatives from eight Arctic nations and six groups representing indigenous peoples.

    After careful review, Legates found the Arctic Assessment claims of an impending, human-induced arctic meltdown are "not supported by the evidence."

    The Arctic Assessment claimed Arctic air temperature trends provide an early and strong indication of global warming causing polar ice caps and glaciers to melt. However, Legates points out that current research suggests this conclusion is unwarranted.

    For example, coastal stations in Greenland are experiencing a cooling trend, and average summer air temperatures at the summit of the Greenland Ice Sheet have decreased at the rate of 4º F (2.2º C) per decade since measurements began in 1987.
    Arctic Russia Cooling

    In addition, observes Legates, the Arctic Assessment ignored a relatively recent long-term analysis of records from coastal stations in Russia.

    Russian coastal station records of both the extent of sea ice and the thickness of fast ice (ice fixed to the shoreline or seafloor) extending back 125 years show significant variability over 60- to 80-year periods. Moreover, the maximum air temperature they report for the twentieth century was in 1938, when it was nearly 0.4º F (0.2º C) warmer than the air temperature for 2000. According to Legates, the Russian observations do "not support [claims of] amplified warming in Polar Regions predicted by general circulation models."
    Earth Warmer Before

    Legates also points out that even if warming was happening, research shows such warming has occurred before, as ice cores from Baffin Island and sea core sediments from the Chukchi Sea (north of the Bering Straight between Alaska and Russia) show.

    For example, in Alaska the onset of a climatic shift--a warming--in 1976-1977 ended a multi-decade trend of cold in the middle of the twentieth century. This simply returned temperatures to those experienced in the early years of the century.
    Warming a Minor Factor

    According to the Arctic Assessment, human-caused warming in the Arctic will necessarily lead to decreased sea ice extent and thickness. However, Legates notes air temperature is only one of the factors that dictate sea ice coverage and thickness.

    When the Arctic is relatively calm, for example, it is easier for sea ice to form. Sea ice is then moved around the Arctic by the force of the wind. During stormy periods, surface winds churn the water and move existing ice, making it more difficult for sea ice to form.

    Reinforcing that point, Legates highlights a study commissioned by Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans, which concluded, "the possible impact of global warming appears to play a minor role in changes to Arctic sea ice." According to Legates, the "Canadian study concluded that changing wind patterns are the primary cause of changing sea ice distributions. Moreover, the response of sea ice in the Antarctic has been quite different--while it has decreased in the Arctic, it has remained relatively constant (or even increased slightly) in the Antarctic since 1978."
    Bear Population Steady

    The Arctic Assessment concludes, "global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them." This is misleading, Legates finds, because, as discussed above, Arctic air temperatures were as high as present temperatures in the 1930s and polar bears survived.

    According to the World Wildlife Fund, about 20 distinct polar bear populations currently exist, accounting for approximately 22,000 polar bears worldwide. Of those distinct populations only two, representing about 16.4 percent of the total population, are decreasing. At the same time, 10 populations representing approximately 45.4 percent of the total population are stable, and 2 populations representing about 13.6 percent of the total number of polar bears are increasing. The status of the remaining populations is unknown.

    "This [the Arctic Assessment] is nothing more than a poorly designed attempt to implement the Kyoto Protocol through the back door," said Peyton Knight, director of environmental and regulatory affairs at the National Center for Public Policy Research. "You don't list endangered species based on speculative predictions," said Knight; "you list them because there are small numbers of the species and the numbers are in fact dwindling. This is not called the 'someday-might-possibly-become-endangered-if-our-speculative-claims-prove-true' list."

    http://www.globalwarming.nottinghams...olarbears.html
    That study is bogus. Of course the bears are dying. They could be extinct in 20 years.


    Global warming may kill off polar bears in 20 years, says WWF


    Many Arctic animals, including polar bears and some seal species, could be extinct within 20 years because of global warming, a conservation group said yesterday.

    Traditional ways of life for many indigenous people in the Arctic would also become unsustainable unless the world "takes drastic action to reduce climate change", said the conservation organisation WWF.

    "If we don't act immediately the Arctic will soon become unrecognisable" said Tonje Folkestad, a WWF climate change expert. "Polar bears will be ... something that our grandchildren can only read about in books."

    By 2026, the earth could be an average 2C (3.6F) warmer than it was in 1750, according to research to be presented to a conference on climate change in Exeter this week.

    "In the Arctic this could lead to a loss of summer sea ice, species and some types of tundra vegetation, as well as to a fundamental change in the ways of life of Inuit and other Arctic residents," the organisation said in a statement.

    The total area covered by summer sea ice in the Arctic is already decreasing by 9.2% a decade, and would "disappear entirely by the end of the century" unless the situation changes.

    "If ... unique ecosystems like the Arctic are not [to be] lost, the G8 meeting must take drastic action to reduce climate change," said Catarina Cardoso, a WWF expert.
    There is plenty of evidence to back up the fact that polar bears are indeed drowning in large numbers.


    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...r_bears_2.html

    Scientists with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, reported that in September 2005 the sea ice had shrunk to its lowest level on record.

    If the melting trend continues, the Arctic could see ice-free summers by 2040, according to a Canadian climate model. Other models suggest open Arctic waters by the end of the century. (See "Arctic Ice Levels at Record Low, May Keep Melting, Study Warns.")





    Bears in some areas spend the summer months on land. They fast until the ice forms in the fall, when they can use the ice as a vast platform from which to hunt the seas.

    Studies of the polar bear populations around the western coast of Canada's Hudson Bay (map) show that this wait, and the bears' period of fasting, has increased by three weeks since the 1970s.

    The population there is noticeably skinnier now, scientists say, and has declined by 15 percent in the last decade.

    In northern Alaska the U.S. Minerals Management Service has concluded that some polar bears are drowning as they try to swim increasingly long distances between the ice and land.

    How would you suggest saving the bears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    That study is bogus. Of course the bears are dying. They could be extinct in 20 years.
    That's SOO EASY! isnt it? Just 'call it bogus' and somehow it IS. It's bogus because it's an inconvenient truth to you who worship Global Warming.

    There is plenty of evidence to back up the fact that polar bears are indeed drowning in large numbers.
    And the study I quoted debates that.

    How would you suggest saving the bears?
    I think Dillo said it best. We start killing humans. If we reduce the number of humans by 25% we'd know if 'we' are causing it.

    I say we let things go. Species have been dying and going extinct for "Millions" of years. Maybe that's just how it's supposed to be. Arrogant HUMANS think we can fight nature - naturally occurrence such as the rising global temps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    That study is bogus. Of course the bears are dying. They could be extinct in 20 years.



    There is plenty of evidence to back up the fact that polar bears are indeed drowning in large numbers.




    How would you suggest saving the bears?
    How about some big ass life preservers ?

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    How would you suggest saving the bears?
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    I don't - I say let em' die... after all "Survival of the fittest" - right? I mean, who cares what happens to them if - after all - we're all from pond scum....

    Additionally - why do you care what happens to them? What has a polar bear done for you lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    That's SOO EASY! isnt it? Just 'call it bogus' and somehow it IS.
    That's the liberals M.O. d. "I said it, therefore it's true." It can be the biggest line of horse shit ever uttered by man, but they think that just saying it makes it true. And that of course, is one huge reason we all know liberals are crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    It is a well known fact, to most of us at least that global warming is causing the ice floes to melt off the Arctic, and polar bears are drowning due to having to swim far greater distances than before in search of food, and not being able to return to dry land.



    There are some that steadfastly deny the occurence of global warming despite the mountains of evidence proving it, but the more rational amongst us acknowledge that it is indeed a problem.

    How do we save the bears?

    Your thoughts and comments on this important issue would be much appreciated.

    Rahul
    We should send them oars so they can paddle their ice rafts back to the mainland!
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Can we save these people??

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    We should send them oars so they can paddle their ice rafts back to the mainland!
    LOL! That's the most brilliant post you've ever made!!!


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    Those poor polar bears! Heart strings tugging. Lots more pics and video at site:

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/tra...s/s1887890.htm




    Snap! Freezing Bears

    Watch Snap! Freezing Bears [G, 3:43min.] (Help):

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    But what's the bet this photo will get a run again.





    A planet on the edge
    They cling precariously to the top of what is left of the ice floe, their fragile grip the perfect symbol of the tragedy of global warming.
    Captured on film by Canadian environmentalists, the pair of polar bears look stranded on chunks of broken ice.

    — The Sunday Telegraph, A planet on the edge, 4th February, 2007


    Those stranded polar bears on the shrinking Arctic ice - victims of global warming - certainly tugged at the heart-strings.

    That photo was published not only in the Sunday Telegraph.

    It made it onto the front page of the New York Times.

    And the International Herald Tribune.

    It also ran in London's Daily Mail, The Times of London and Canada's Ottawa Citizen - and that's just to name a few.

    All used it as evidence of global warming and the imminent demise of the polar bear.

    But the photo wasn't current. It was two and a half years old.

    And it wasn't snapped by Canadian environmentalists.

    It was taken by an Australian marine biology student on a field trip.

    And in what month did she take it?


    The time of year was August, summer.

    — Email from Amanda Byrd to Media Watch

    Read Amanda Byrd's response to Media Watch's questions.


    Summer, when every year the fringes of the Arctic ice cap melt regardless of the wider effects of global warming.

    So were the polar bears stranded?


    They did not appear to be in danger…I did not see the bears get on the ice, and I did not see them get off. I cannot say either way if they were stranded or not.

    — Email from Amanda Byrd to Media Watch


    And they didn't appear stranded to Denis Simard of Environment Canada.

    He told Canada's National Post.





    You have to keep in mind that the bears are not in danger at all. This is a perfect picture for climate change…you have the impression they are in the middle of the ocean and they are going to die...But they were not that far from the coast, and it was possible for them to swim...They are still alive and having fun.

    — The National Post (Canada), Gore pays for photo after Canada didn't, 23rd March, 2007


    Read “Gore pays for photo after Canada didn't” on The National Post website.


    Polar bears are good swimmers. So how did all this come about?

    Photographer Amanda Byrd gave her photo to fellow cruiser, Dan Crosbie - to have a look.


    Dan Crosbie gave the image to the Canadian Ice Service, who gave the image to Environment Canada, who distributed the image to 7 media agencies including AP.

    — Email from Amanda Byrd to Media Watch


    Associated Press released the photo two and a half years after it was taken, on the day the United Nations released its major global warming report.

    That's where Sydney's Sunday Telegraph got the photo, running it with a story taken from the Daily Mail as Neil Breen explains.





    ...the photograph represents polar bears standing on ice that’s melting. Now obviously there’s a disputed account of when that was taken now, and maybe it was taken in the Alaskan Summer when you would naturally expect ice to melt but at the time it was sent to us, Associated Press in their caption to us told us that the picture was taken of melting ice caps and to do with global warming and that it was sent to them by a Canadian ice authority and we had no reason to question it.

    — Statement from Neil Breen (Editor of the Sunday Telegraph) to Media Watch

    Read the full transcript of Media Watch's interview with Neil Breen.


    But Amanda Byrd didn't think her photo necessarily described whether global warming is occurring.


    I take neither stand, I simply took the photos...If I released the image myself, it would have been as a striking image. Nothing more.

    — Email from Amanda Byrd to Media Watch


    That's not how Al Gore saw it.

    He used it in a presentation on man made global warming.





    "Their habitat is melting... beautiful animals, literally being forced off the planet," Mr. Gore said, with the photo on the screen behind him. "They're in trouble, got nowhere else to go."
    Audience members let out gasps of sympathy…

    — The National Post (Canada), Gore pays for photo after Canada didn't, 23rd March, 2007


    Well that's because they're bears… and at a distance, they're rather cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    We should send them oars so they can paddle their ice rafts back to the mainland!
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    How about some big ass life preservers ?
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    I don't - I say let em' die... after all "Survival of the fittest" - right? I mean, who cares what happens to them if - after all - we're all from pond scum....

    Additionally - why do you care what happens to them? What has a polar bear done for you lately?
    These are all precisely the sort of illogical responses I wasn't looking for.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    That's SOO EASY! isnt it? Just 'call it bogus' and somehow it IS. It's bogus because it's an inconvenient truth to you who worship Global Warming.
    I don't worship Global Warming, in fact, I wish it had never occured in the first place. Further, I quoted you material from the WWF and National Geographic, and those are reputable sources.


    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    And the study I quoted debates that.
    That is why I think it is flawed.


    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    I think Dillo said it best. We start killing humans. If we reduce the number of humans by 25% we'd know if 'we' are causing it.
    So, your recommendation is to start killing humans in order to save the bears?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    I say we let things go. Species have been dying and going extinct for "Millions" of years. Maybe that's just how it's supposed to be. Arrogant HUMANS think we can fight nature - naturally occurrence such as the rising global temps.
    I disagree. Global warming isn't natural, and it isn't right to let bears die out just because you think it's "been happening for millions of years".

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    Seriously though, why don't they just swim back?
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    That is why I think it is flawed.
    You think it's flawed because it disputes what you believe. Wow. I suppose that makes your life easy eh? lmao.

    I disagree. Global warming isn't natural,
    You're saying the Earth has not gone through warming and cooling periods since day one?

    and it isn't right to let bears die out just because you think it's "been happening for millions of years".
    Logical fallacy of False Dilemma. Nobody is letting Polar bears "die out" - that simply isnt' happening. SOME groups are shrinking in number, some are gaining in number.
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