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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Seriously though, why don't they just swim back?
    The bears are being forced to swim for miles at a stretch. They think that the retreating ice floes are near land but they aren't and the bears get tired and drown during the journey.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGH6H58GK1.DTL

    The sea ice is breaking up earlier in the spring, and the ocean is freezing over later in the fall. With the thinning and cracking of the pack ice, the polar bears are forced to come to land and search for food, which they are usually unable to find.

    Fish and Wildlife scientists from Anchorage have found that more bears in the Beaufort Sea have come ashore in September as the distance between sea ice and land has increased, based on the first five years of an ongoing study. In earlier Canadian studies on the polar bear population in the Hudson Bay, where sea ice is shrinking the fastest, bears weighed less and had fewer births, and their young had a lower survival rate.

    Scientists from the federal Minerals Management Service concluded that some bears were drowning in the long swim from ice to land. They saw four drowned bears floating in open water in 2004, apparently exhausted while trying to swim 125 to 185 miles between ice and land in high winds.


    The bears are starting to feel the heat.
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    i would like to know how we know the exact temperatures from back in 1750 personally.
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    You realize that almost all the polar bear groups have doubled and tripled in population since Global warming supposedly started dont you?

    You also realize that polar bears are amazing swimmers, swimming up to 60 miles offshore at times dont you?

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    Oh...and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    You think it's flawed because it disputes what you believe. Wow. I suppose that makes your life easy eh? lmao.
    No. I believe it's flawed because of the enormous amount of evidence that says so.

    The Bush administration admits it, too.

    http://environment.about.com/od/biod...olar_bears.htm

    Polar bears need increased government protection because their icy habitat is melting as a result of global warming, according to the Bush administration.
    On Wednesday, December 27, 2006, U.S. Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne proposed classifying polar bears as a “threatened” species on the government’s list of species that are in danger of extinction. The “endangered” classification is reserved for species at even greater risk.


    Environmentalists hailed the move for the sake of the polar bears, but also expressed cautious optimism about what appeared to be a new willingness by the Bush administration to acknowledge the growing effects of global warming and to take action to address them.

    How Global Warming Threatens Polar Bears

    Current estimates place the global polar bear population at between 20,000 and 25,000, but warming temperatures have been melting Arctic sea ice at an alarming rate, depriving the polar bears of their natural habitat and making it harder for them to find food. In spring 2006, scientists found the bodies of several polar bears that had starved to death. Reduced food availability due to global warming has also resulted in polar bear cannibalism off the north coast of Alaska and Canada.

    Some polar bears have drowned while attempting to swim to safety after being trapped on small islands of melting ice. The U.S. Minerals Management Service documented the drowning of at least four polar bears in September 2004, when the sea ice retreated a record 160 miles off the northern coast.

    Arctic sea ice, which is the polar bears natural habitat and hunting ground, appears to be melting at a rapid rate. On December 12, 2006, scientists from the National Center for Atmospheric Research said that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer as early as 2040, and in the next 20 years the extent of Arctic sea ice will be reduced by 80 percent.


    New Proposal is Legal Victory for Environmentalists


    The proposal by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service comes as the result of a long court battle by the Center for Biological Diversity, the Natural Resources Defense Council and Greenpeace to secure government protection for polar bears, including action to address the effects of global warming on their sea-ice habitat.

    "This is a victory for the polar bear, and all wildlife threatened by global warming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity, in a press release. "This is the beginning of a sea change in the way this country addresses global warming. There is still time to save polar bears but we must reduce global warming pollution immediately."

    Peer Review and Public Comment

    The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service now has 12 months to obtain peer review and public comment on its proposal before issuing a final decision about whether to list the polar bear as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act. The government already has received more than 200,000 comments in support of listing the polar bear, including letters from leading polar bear experts, climate scientists, and many members of Congress.

    "Sand in the hourglass is running out for polar bears," said United States Representative Jay Inslee (D-WA). "Congress needs to take bold steps to reduce global warming pollution before time runs out for this and other species."

    If the final decision is to add polar bears to the list, federal agencies will be required to ensure that any action they authorize, finance, or carry out will not jeopardize the polar bears continued existence as a species or adversely modify the polar bears’ critical habitat. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will also be required to prepare a recovery plan for the polar bear, specifying measures necessary for the species’ protection.

    U.S. Track Record on Global Warming

    The United States is currently the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases that trap heat and cause global warming, primarily carbon dioxide emissions from cars and trucks and power plants. Some states, such as California, have taken action to reduce global warming pollution, but the federal government has yet to take serious action.

    "The United States has failed to lead the world in tackling global warming. With under five percent of the world's people, we generate more than 20 percent of the global warming pollution," said Kert Davies, Greenpeace research director. "We must start cutting greenhouse gas emissions or the polar bear will be pushed to the brink of extinction within our lifetime."

    Shortly after taking office, President Bush refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, which calls for mandated controls on greenhouse gas emissions, and the Bush administration has repeatedly drawn international criticism for failing to help reduce global warming and for attempting to stop its own climate scientists from speaking out about the effects of global warming.
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    Why should we do anything to stop the extinction of any species? Many species have come and gone, the world lives on. Shouldn't you Darwinians believe that right now new species are being created out of random mutations anywhere around the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    You realize that almost all the polar bear groups have doubled and tripled in population since Global warming supposedly started dont you?
    Would you care to share your source?

    Quote Originally Posted by avatar4321 View Post
    You also realize that polar bears are amazing swimmers, swimming up to 60 miles offshore at times dont you?
    The polar bears can swim 60 miles, but not 200 + miles. They get tired, just like humans do.



    How would you suggest saving the bears?
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    The polar ice caps where the bears live go through annual heating and cooling periods all the time. The layman's terms for these periods are 'summer' and 'winter.' With the sun not setting on the north pole for 6 months out of the year, and not rising the other 6 months, those caps grow and shrink by hundreds of miles...EVERY YEAR. If the ice caps were shrinking at a far greater rate than the whackos project they could sometime, it still wouldn't kill all those polar bears. They'd just change the dates they go out to sea and back, as the caps shrank and grew. I also don't buy the overheating polar bears thing, either, as there are polar bears living outdoors in Atlanta.

    As for them dying out, there's no danger of that. Their numbers have grown by several hundred percent in the past 30 years. They've been moved to the protected species list as part of a settlement of a lawsuit brought against the U.S. government.
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    You hate seals, don't you? That must be this fascination with Bears. Do you know how many seals are senselessly slaughter every year by Rogue Bears?





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    Really, we could go back and forth with this argument. There are just as many articles about polar bears dying and there are about them thriving.

    Here is an interresting article, it even discusses your picture you keep posting Rahul.

    "Polar bears are the poster animals of global warming. The image of a polar bear floating on an ice floe is one of the most dramatic visual statements in the fight against rising temperatures in the Arctic.

    But global warming is not killing the polar bears of Canada's eastern Arctic, according to one ongoing study. Scheduled for release next year, it says the number of polar bears in the Davis Strait area of Canada's eastern Arctic – one of 19 polar bear populations worldwide – has grown to 2,100, up from 850 in the mid-1980s.

    For those keeping score, that’s an almost 150 percent increase in two decades."
    http://newsbusters.org/node/12694

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigg View Post
    There are just as many articles about polar bears dying and there are about them thriving.
    How do you know? Have you counted the amount of articles for each argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    How do you know? Have you counted the amount of articles for each argument?
    I typed in polar bears population increase/decrease. Close to a million articles popped up for each. I just used my power of observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigg View Post
    I typed in polar bears population increase/decrease. Close to a million articles popped up for each. I just used my power of observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Cp View Post
    Google it, I'm not about to post all the different web sights.

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    You know I bet if truth be known, the polar bears are actually swimming out to these little ice islands kinda like I go to Barbados. You know as a polar bear get away.
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