How many billions to be tossed away!!????

[Abbey Marie]

I'll take one! I'd love to traverse the Jersey traffic circles in one of these.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You're deluded if you think he's fiddling around with army projections for a single piece of equipment for a cost that was incurred years ago. BO sucks enough on his own to have to make up issues.

Sure he doesn't do it himself. He has a Secretary of Defense to do his bidding. If you think any of his appointed czars/cabinet heads are mavericks bucking his agenda you are bonkers. If I run a company and tell my supervisors to fire people they get the blame for doing the firings but the real responsibility lies on my shoulders. bampunk insulates himself with layers of fall guys.--Tyr

[fj1200]

Sure he doesn't do it himself. He has a Secretary of Defense to do his bidding. If you think any of his appointed czars/cabinet heads are mavericks bucking his agenda you are bonkers. If I run a company and tell my supervisors to fire people they get the blame for doing the firings but the real responsibility lies on my shoulders. bampunk insulates himself with layers of fall guys.--Tyr

I'm sure Gates and now Hagel, both Republicans BTW, at DoD were in on the whole thing too. I mean you've got plenty of evidence that they wasted $50BB on new armored vehicles to protect the troops spent over 10 years voted on by multiple Congresses and signed off on by a Republican POTUS that BO was just waiting for the perfect time for an administrative Army decision to mothball/destroy some vehicles because we're no longer knee deep in two wars. Damning stuff.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm sure Gates and now Hagel, both Republicans BTW, at DoD were in on the whole thing too. I mean you've got plenty of evidence that they wasted $50BB on new armored vehicles to protect the troops spent over 10 years voted on by multiple Congresses and signed off on by a Republican POTUS that BO was just waiting for the perfect time for an administrative Army decision to mothball/destroy some vehicles because we're no longer knee deep in two wars. Damning stuff.

When he is on record being destroyer of our military I do not need such evidence to know he would be all for it. Example here --

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/general-o...-u-s-military/

General: Obama purposely weakening U.S. military

Former Pacific Command leader warns against giving global enemies combat advantage

Published: 11/25/2013 at 10:33 PM


WASHINGTON – A former deputy commanding general of the U.S. Pacific Command says President Obama seeks to “seize control over national security” and, bypassing Congress, singlehandedly weaken the U.S. military.

Army Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, retired, charges in a 21-page position statement made available to WND, titled “The Obama Military – Evolution and Legacy,” that Obama already has begun working with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons without a treaty, which would require Senate ratification.

“This would allow Obama and the executive branch to unilaterally cut our military capability and nuclear weaponry and ignore the treaty clause of the Constitution,” said Vallely, who has also served as a senior military analyst for Fox News Channel. Vallely has also charged, along with several other top generals, that Obama is purging the military by firing top-level commanders and that his ultimate goal is to “destroy U.S. military superiority” to the “advantage of our global enemies.”

In his capacity as chairman of the organization Stand Up America, Vallely previously called for the resignations of Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and certain congressional leaders, issuing a “national call to action” aimed at bringing about those resignations.

Vallely is far from the only one worried about a plunge in military capabilities under Obama’s administration.

Frank Gaffney, former acting assistant secretary of defense during the Reagan administration, has asserted that placing women in combat is just the latest example of a “deliberate and systematic wrecking operation” the administration has conducted against the U.S. armed forces since 2009.

In addition, the Obama administration has directed measures to reduce the Pentagon budget by $1.3 trillion over the next 10 years, said Gaffney, currently president of the Washington-based Center for Security Policy.

In turn, this is bringing about the elimination or slowing of virtually all modernization programs, reduction in maintenance of worn-out weapons systems and other equipment and diminished training and cutting back in benefits, such as the plan the Pentagon has ordered to cut out commissary privileges at all of the military’s 178 U.S. and 70 foreign bases.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/general-o...fmtxxU7H98p.99

For more information check out these articles at that link given. -Tyr -----
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[fj1200]

When he is on record being destroyer of our military I do not need such evidence to know he would be all for it. Example here --

Uh huh.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Uh huh.

What no comment on this article?
Are these men lying? --Tyr

General: Obama purposely weakening U.S. military

Former Pacific Command leader warns against giving global enemies combat advantage

Published: 11/25/2013 at 10:33 PM


WASHINGTON – A former deputy commanding general of the U.S. Pacific Command says President Obama seeks to “seize control over national security” and, bypassing Congress, singlehandedly weaken the U.S. military.

Army Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, retired, charges in a 21-page position statement made available to WND, titled “The Obama Military – Evolution and Legacy,” that Obama already has begun working with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons without a treaty, which would require Senate ratification.

“This would allow Obama and the executive branch to unilaterally cut our military capability and nuclear weaponry and ignore the treaty clause of the Constitution,” said Vallely, who has also served as a senior military analyst for Fox News Channel. Vallely has also charged, along with several other top generals, that Obama is purging the military by firing top-level commanders and that his ultimate goal is to “destroy U.S. military superiority” to the “advantage of our global enemies.”

In his capacity as chairman of the organization Stand Up America, Vallely previously called for the resignations of Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and certain congressional leaders, issuing a “national call to action” aimed at bringing about those resignations.

Vallely is far from the only one worried about a plunge in military capabilities under Obama’s administration.

Frank Gaffney, former acting assistant secretary of defense during the Reagan administration, has asserted that placing women in combat is just the latest example of a “deliberate and systematic wrecking operation” the administration has conducted against the U.S. armed forces since 2009.

In addition, the Obama administration has directed measures to reduce the Pentagon budget by $1.3 trillion over the next 10 years, said Gaffney, currently president of the Washington-based Center for Security Policy.

In turn, this is bringing about the elimination or slowing of virtually all modernization programs, reduction in maintenance of worn-out weapons systems and other equipment and diminished training and cutting back in benefits, such as the plan the Pentagon has ordered to cut out commissary privileges at all of the military’s 178 U.S. and 70 foreign bases.

[fj1200]

^ I see a lot of opinion that you've already accepted as fact and conclusion.

[Arbo]

^ I see a lot of opinion that you've already accepted as fact and conclusion.

It's amazing what people can find when they go looking for stories to back up beliefs they already have, eh?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

^ I see a lot of opinion that you've already accepted as fact and conclusion.

I see a lot of military , high ranking military men speaking out and giving warning about what obamascum is doing. Are they lying too ?? Damn, everybody lies about Obama huh? I am not as gullible as are so many Americans. I see a deadly snake I cut its head off. I don't pretend its a damn worm and let it bite some innocent unsuspecting person!! Obama is a damn snake if one ever existed!--Tyr

[aboutime]

Tyr. Forget trying to convince, or simply inform anyone who doesn't want to be convinced, or informed like 'fj', and many others.

They are so convinced...Only They are right about everything, while everyone else...who dares not to agree with them...must be wrong.

Let them believe, and think whatever they want. THEY JUST AREN'T WORTH IT.

Eventually. When they discover how stupid they are. It will be too late for them anyway.

[logroller]

I see a lot of military , high ranking military men speaking out and giving warning about what obamascum is doing. Are they lying too ?? Damn, everybody lies about Obama huh? I am not as gullible as are so many Americans. I see a deadly snake I cut its head off. I don't pretend its a damn worm and let it bite some innocent unsuspecting person!! Obama is a damn snake if one ever existed!--Tyr

There were a lot of high ranking military members that spoke out against the Iraq war too. Its a diverse world with diverse opinions. If Obama decided to keep every last one of these MRAPs there'd be criticism of that too. The military budget, while mind-numbing in scale is finite, NOT UNLIMITED, and decisions on where to spend and where to cut is always going to upset someone. I find it interesting the OP listed a stock ticker for the civilian contractor that does maintenance...I smell pecuniary interests==> follow the money.

[jimnyc]

It's amazing what people can find when they go looking for stories to back up beliefs they already have, eh?

Someone searching for an article and posting it for discussion - always better than someone not looking for articles, not posting anything at all for discussion and just chiming in to troll. If you have an issue with an actual article, why not lay out the specific issues you have with it and debate and/or discuss it?

[fj1200]

I see a lot of military , high ranking military men speaking out and giving warning about what obamascum is doing. Are they lying too ?? Damn, everybody lies about Obama huh? I am not as gullible as are so many Americans. I see a deadly snake I cut its head off. I don't pretend its a damn worm and let it bite some innocent unsuspecting person!! Obama is a damn snake if one ever existed!--Tyr

Did I say anyone was lying? I fully acknowledge that they are entitled to their opinions. I suppose that they have good reasons for their opinions, possibly even some facts. I don't think that a decision about MRAPs is evidence of such. The man sucks enough that there is no need to stretch.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Someone searching for an article and posting it for discussion - always better than someone not looking for articles, not posting anything at all for discussion and just chiming in to troll. If you have an issue with an actual article, why not lay out the specific issues you have with it and debate and/or discuss it?

Jim some people haven't enough integrity in them to present honestly their opinions. And they haven't enough honor to give opposition any credit when they do. Almost every forum has a few characters like that. Smart as a damn brick but thinking that they are raving geniuses which the world rarely ever gets to witness! Some are a pure troll while some are not trollish but instead just a pure dumbass. Its a toss up which one is worse IMHO. I AM GOING WITH IT BEING THE PURE DUMBASS. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did I say anyone was lying? I fully acknowledge that they are entitled to their opinions. I suppose that they have good reasons for their opinions, possibly even some facts. I don't think that a decision about MRAPs is evidence of such. The man sucks enough that there is no need to stretch.

Fair enough answer. Man, have to draw 'em out of you. Like squeezing juice out of an orange. Methinks you have one of those rare fetishes-- "Squeeze fetish". --Tyr