Israel accused of war crimes (UK Parliament)

[jafar00]

Some counterbalance to the irrational pro Israeli stuff around at the moment.

Interesting to note that one of the speakers most critical of Israel is Sir Gerald Kaufman, a British Jew.

[Kathianne]

You're really hoping for something to come from propaganda land and everyone following you there:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...20war%20crimes

What you write and what the headline says makes it look like Parliament passed a resolution or something, which of course is not the case. Then you go on in that sicko prejudiced way you have been taking, mentioning a British Jew in Parliament, that happens to agree with getting rid of Israel.

It's almost like you haven't heard of Jews that aren't really...

[jimnyc]

One for Israel in comparison to thousands and thousands by Hamas over the years.

BUT - IT IS TELLING, Jafar, that you are the first the condemn Israel of war crimes - while denying the endless war crimes from a terror organization. We know which side you support in todays world - Islamic Terrorists, so long as they are fighting jews.

[aboutime]

jafar. You just don't get it...do you?

You keep bringing your obvious hatred, mixed with obvious propaganda based on known Hamas supporters in the U.K. And you are still convinced ALL OF US will drop everything, and become as stupid as you?

[jafar00]

All I am saying, is that you stand alone in your support for the terrorist state.

[Kathianne]

All I am saying, is that you stand alone in your support for the terrorist state.

First part some truth, second is just a lie.

[aboutime]

All I am saying, is that you stand alone in your support for the terrorist state.

Wrong again jafar. I would never support HAMAS. I leave that to you.

[gabosaurus]

Both sides are guilty of war crimes.

[Kathianne]

Both sides are guilty of war crimes.

No, they are not. Israel has not committed war crimes, indeed has been at the forefront of sending aid to those injured.

[aboutime]

No, they are not. Israel has not committed war crimes, indeed has been at the forefront of sending aid to those injured.

Kathianne. Don't let gabby get the best of you. She's just towing the expected, hypocritical, liberal, Democrat, Obama line. According to gabby, and those I mentioned. It would be intolerant as a liberal NOT to blame Israel. While all of them try to pretend how much they claim to support Israel. They do it with crossed-fingers behind their backs. A METHOD Obama uses so well to appease, and avoid insulting his friends.

[Drummond]

Some counterbalance to the irrational pro Israeli stuff around at the moment.

Interesting to note that one of the speakers most critical of Israel is Sir Gerald Kaufman, a British Jew.

Most of the speakers critical of Israel were, and are, LEFT WINGERS who are traditionally far more inclined to take up anti-Israel positions.

As you say, Jafar, Kaufman is a Jew. You neglect, however, to point out that he's also a LEFTIE, even if he IS also a has-been in their ranks. You also neglect to say that he has a long history of making imflammatory remarks, especially in Parliament.

And his ascerbic anti-Israel positions aren't new. He has a history of those as well. This is just the latest in a series of them.

Here, let me 'help' your propaganda efforts ... this, from 2009 ...

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01...-do-not-count/

My parents came to Britain as refugees from Poland. Most of their families were subsequently murdered by the Nazis in the holocaust. My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town of Staszow. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed.

My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The current Israeli Government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians. The implication is that Jewish lives are precious, but the lives of Palestinians do not count.

On Sky News a few days ago, the spokeswoman for the Israeli army, Major Leibovich, was asked about the Israeli killing of, at that time, 800 Palestinians—the total is now 1,000. She replied instantly that: “500 of them were militants.”

That was the reply of a Nazi. I suppose that the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants.

The Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni asserts that her Government will have no dealings with Hamas, because they are terrorists. Tzipi Livni’s father was Eitan Livni, chief operations officer of the terrorist Irgun Zvai Leumi, who organised the blowing-up of the King David hotel in Jerusalem, in which 91 victims were killed, including four Jews.

Israel was born out of Jewish terrorism ....

And so he prattles on. He does so as a firebrand Socialist, with, as I say, a history of taking anti-Israel stances.

But then, he's just doing what other British Socialists have done in times past. Socialists are adept at selling Israel out ... this, from just two weeks after 9/11 ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1561975.stm

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is refusing to meet British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw because of Israeli anger over Mr Straw's comments on the Middle East.

Mr Straw is due in Israel later on Tuesday after landmark diplomatic talks in Iran.

Officially, Mr Sharon does "not have enough time in his schedule" to meet Mr Straw.

But many in the Israeli Government are infuriated by comments made by Mr Straw published in an Iranian newspaper.

"One of the factors that helps breeds terrorism is the anger which many people in this region feel at events over the years in Palestine, " Mr Straw said.

Ministers see Mr Straw's comments as implying that Israel is to blame for attacks carried out on Israelis.

They also object to use of word "Palestine" with its implication of statehood.

One Israeli minister described Mr Straw's comments as "abominable".

Here's one of UK Labour's more shameful Parliamentary motions. Note what it is; what it seeks to achieve; and the strong support it had from LABOUR, i.e SOCIALIST, Members of Parliament.

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2008-09/400

BRITISH ARMS SALES TO ISRAEL

That this House is appalled that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has been licensing increasing arms sales to Israel; registers with extreme disapproval that in the first three months of 2008 Britain exported nearly £19 million worth of weapons to Israel, compared to £7.5 million in the whole of 2007; requests the Government to state the value of British arms sold to Israel from April to December 2008; further requests the Government to list the types of weapons sold to Israel; calls on the Government to halt delivery of further weapons; and urges the Government to investigate whether any of the weapons exported to Israel during 2008 have been used in the attacks on Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

Thirty (if I've counted correctly) of the 63 signatories were Labour MP's. More were from a Labour Party offshoot, the SDP ... yet more were from our Liberal Party. Not one Conservative supported this. Ah, but LABOUR .. including Kaufman ... were strong supporters.

Jafar must be proud. Aren't you, Jafar ?

[Drummond]

jafar. You just don't get it...do you?

You keep bringing your obvious hatred, mixed with obvious propaganda based on known Hamas supporters in the U.K. And you are still convinced ALL OF US will drop everything, and become as stupid as you?

Quite.

I've just posted evidence of the British Labour Party's hostility towards Israeli interests (Kaufman's a proven part of that). It goes back a long way. In the example I posted of a Parliamentary motion, Labour worked to demonise the UK's export of arms to Israel ... one must presume with the intention in mind of stopping us from helping them with self-defence entirely.

In the meantime, they, like Jafar, work to create sympathy for the Gaza side. Run BY TERRORISTS.

[gabosaurus]

No, they are not. Israel has not committed war crimes, indeed has been at the forefront of sending aid to those injured.

Both sides are guilty of sending missiles into areas occupied by civilians. The recent Israeli ground invasion has resulted in several hundred civilian deaths, including women and children.

[darin]

Only the arab terrorists are to blame. As long as they hide among their "innocents" blood is on their hands. Generally, imo, israel can do no wrong.

[Kathianne]

Both sides are guilty of sending missiles into areas occupied by civilians. The recent Israeli ground invasion has resulted in several hundred civilian deaths, including women and children.

Gabby, your ignorance of current events and history is showing. Truly.

There really are times that both sides are not equally at fault, no matter how much you wish them to be.