Done Apologizing For Israel

[aboutime]

They were kids playing Soccer on the beach! How the hell can you call them human shields or terrorists? You are making excuses for Israel to commit such horrors.

JAFAR. You now expose another Lie, by neglecting to also mention how HAMAS instructed those children, and their parents NOT TO SEEK COVER, and just carry on their lives or...FACT DEATH FROM HAMAS.

You are incapable of being Honest, or daring to tell the TRUTH.

Here is your protection jafar...use your own brush...

[red state]

Has anyone shown any proof that the child was not killed elsewhere and brought to that location? I wouldn't put it past the muSLUM scum to have butchered this child and do a photo shoot on the beach. It matches their normal strategy but, like someone said earlier, they are placing their people at risk and want this to happen................... one way or another and they ensure that it does happen (one way or another).

[red state]

Perhaps jafart will post another photo for us to shoot down as propaganda......THEY truly make it easy. When THEY cry wolf over and over.....it gets pretty darn hard to believe them when a wolf is really upon them. Well, it is no wolf on their sorry heads now. It is a LION! and they brought it ALL upon themselves. I don't see it happening but I'd like to see a clean Israel with rockets coming from Egypt, Iran or some other country so that they can really rain down their might without worry.

[Drummond]

There is no need to apologize in the first place. The Israelis have the right to defend themselves. So does the opposition.
I have no qualms about anything that happens in the Middle East, as long as the U.S. is not involved in any manner. Both sides in this conflict are quite able to take care of themselves. I see no reason for the U.S. to take either side.

The point has been made, and I agree with it, that the US should treat its allies honourably. Israel is an ally of the US. Maybe Lefties would think otherwise ... but by MY standards, at least, an ally has every right to expect that to mean something of value. Bottom line .. an ally is NOT there to be sold out, at a time of need.

[aboutime]

Has anyone shown any proof that the child was not killed elsewhere and brought to that location? I wouldn't put it past the muSLUM scum to have butchered this child and do a photo shoot on the beach. It matches their normal strategy but, like someone said earlier, they are placing their people at risk and want this to happen................... one way or another and they ensure that it does happen (one way or another).

red state. They don't need any proof. HAMAS has been shown, known, and proven to do exactly what you suggested with that child/photo in the past.
HAMAS has a huge library (I would guess) of ready to publish...Terrible, Disgusting, Hamas-brainless stories, photos, and recordings they use to EXACERBATE everything they are involved in...when it comes to Israel.

A simple method of checking my words, for those who doubt my honesty would be:
Go to GOOGLE, click on IMAGES, then type HAMAS/TERROR photos.
You won't like what you find. And I REST MY CASE.

[red state]

The point has been made, and I agree with it, that the US should treat its allies honourably. Israel is an ally of the US. Maybe Lefties would think otherwise ... but by MY standards, at least, an ally has every right to expect that to mean something of value. Bottom line .. an ally is NOT there to be sold out, at a time of need.

Drummond, what you need to remember and hold on to is that the left sees EVERYONE who is patriotic to the USA, our Constitution and our loyalty to allies (FREE STATE, FREE WORSHIP, PEACE LOVING allies as is Israel) is an enemy to be dealt with..................even if that means that the liberal scum need to rub elbows with muSLUM scum. They are all scum that hates FREEDOM and the USA is hated most of all cuz we are the beacon of freedom to the entire world. I must be getting hungry.....I keep seeing BACON when I typed beacon. HA!!! Time to go get some fresh tomatoes from the garden and make a BLCT (bacon/lettace/cheeses/tomato sandwich).

[Drummond]

They were kids playing Soccer on the beach! How the hell can you call them human shields or terrorists? You are making excuses for Israel to commit such horrors.

OK, Jafar. Let's pin you down to some specifics, shall we ?

You've posted a picture. What it APPEARS to show is reasonably clear. However, with this picture .. your fact-deficient comments notwithstanding .. we see NO actual INFORMATION.

.... so ... LET'S GET SOME.

Answer all this, Jafar ...

1. What is the source of your photo ? Provide a link we can judge for ourselves.

2. When was the photograph taken ?

3. Where was it taken ?

4. What is the nationality of the child shown ?

5. What is the child's identity ... is anything of this known, or are we just meant to leap to assumptions ?

6. What were the circumstances just beforehand ?

7. Is it known for a definite fact that the child is dead ? (the child just might be unconscious, or, this could just be a propaganda mock-up ... or, as has been shown, the true context might be entirely different to what you want us to believe).

8. Assuming you can supply any quantity of this information, Jafar, has what you'd LIKE us to believe, been independently verified ? By whom ?

Showing us a photo, then just expecting anyone seeing it to leap to conclusions about it in the ABSENCE of accompanying hard fact, will not do.

[red state]

Don't hold your breath, Drummond. I'd like to add a question or two.......is this child a REAL muSLUM and where is all the stuff associated with a wound such as this?

In short..................................


OK, everyone; ALL TOGETHER NOW!.............................................. ...........

[Drummond]

Drummond, what you need to remember and hold on to is that the left sees EVERYONE who is patriotic to the USA, our Constitution and our loyalty to allies (FREE STATE, FREE WORSHIP, PEACE LOVING allies as is Israel) is an enemy to be dealt with..................even if that means that the liberal scum need to rub elbows with muSLUM scum. They are all scum that hates FREEDOM and the USA is hated most of all cuz we are the beacon of freedom to the entire world. I must be getting hungry.....I keep seeing BACON when I typed beacon. HA!!! Time to go get some fresh tomatoes from the garden and make a BLCT (bacon/lettace/cheeses/tomato sandwich).

And I wholeheartedly agree.

You have it on your side of the Pond. We have it on ours. The phenomenon of Left-leaning trash falling over itself in the rush to show solidarity with anyone who can shape up to be an adversary. I am sick to the back teeth of seeing the Left be apologists for Muslim hate preachers, or to find ways of being soft on enemies.

They marched IN THEIR MILLIONS, LITERALLY SO, to fend off the possibility of seeing Saddam taken out. Here, they gave Tony Blair hell for siding with GW Bush, Blair, THEIR OWN LEADER, they demonised mercilessly.

There was much that was wrong with Blair. Doing the right thing against terrorism was, remarkably, NOT part of it. The Left, like a pack of wolves, will even devour their own, if they aren't treacherous and destructive enough.

[red state]

As I look at this photo, I still can't help but wonder if this child is an Israeli child who was abducted by the plo/hummus animals, whacked up with a butcher knife and left there. It is certainly a very CLEAN spot for such an awful wound. Even if jafart provides a link, you can bet your bottom dollar that it'll have holes in the story (IF) any proof at all is offered. A link without PROOF is still just propaganda and the link that I suspect jafart will use comes from nothing but a propaganda association that, LIKE JAFART, supports terrorists.

[red state]

And I wholeheartedly agree.

You have it on your side of the Pond. We have it on ours. The phenomenon of Left-leaning trash falling over itself in the rush to show solidarity with anyone who can shape up to be an adversary. I am sick to the back teeth of seeing the Left be apologists for Muslim hate preachers, or to find ways of being soft on enemies.

They marched IN THEIR MILLIONS, LITERALLY SO, to fend off the possibility of seeing Saddam taken out. Here, they gave Tony Blair hell for siding with GW Bush, Blair, THEIR OWN LEADER, they demonised mercilessly.

There was much that was wrong with Blair. Doing the right thing against terrorism was, remarkably, NOT part of it. The Left, like a pack of wolves, will even devour their own, if they aren't treacherous and destructive enough.

Yes, they certainly will devour their own.................we see that in the millions over here (under the title of abortion). Care to ponder on the percentages of abortion among Conservatives? They are ALL animals and for us to expect them to act any differently or for our hope of their thinking with common sense or decency is a flaw that we have in seeing the BEST in ALL people but we must (absolutely must) keep in mind that they are not like us nor do they think on the higher plane as we. Don't expect a dog to vomit and not lap it back up.....the left simply love ALL that is sickening and filthy. It is simply their nature...............unless they (the FEW) see the light.

[Drummond]

As I look at this photo, I still can't help but wonder if this child is an Israeli child who was abducted by the plo/hummus animals, whacked up with a butcher knife and left there. It is certainly a very CLEAN spot for such an awful wound. Even if jafart provides a link, you can bet your bottom dollar that it'll have holes in the story (IF) any proof at all is offered. A link without PROOF is still just propaganda and the link that I suspect jafart will use comes from nothing but a propaganda association that, LIKE JAFART, supports terrorists.

As you say, Red State, a very clean spot for such a wound. I agree - this itself doesn't ring true.

And Jafar - even despite having his recently-cited 'information' source of choice (... not offered about this, though) outed as a forum where anti-Semitic characters supply much of its material - STILL, has continued to use that same source subsequently.

That Jafar is knowingly using propaganda sources friendly to Hamas and hostile to Israel is beyond question.

Jafar ... sooner or later, current hostilities between Israel and Hamas will cease (... probably just a lull until Hamas gets more rockets, and starts its savageries once more). And what passes for 'normality' will be re-asserted.

BUT WITH ONE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, JAFAR, SO FAR AS THIS FORUM IS CONCERNED.

Until this all kicked off, Jafar, you were selling yourself as a peace-loving Muslim, against terrorists, rejecting terrorism as at all acceptable within the Muslim faith, and against what you, yourself, purported to 'believe in'.

Now, we have hostilities between Hamas and Israel. You have been tested through these developing circumstances, and a VERY different picture emerges.

DOESN'T IT ?

You've been critical of Hamas ... at a time, and in such a manner, when it doesn't really count for anything in terms of ongoing reality.

But when IT REALLY COUNTS, THE CRITICALITY VANISHES. YOU RESERVE EVERY BIT OF ALL YOUR ENERGIES TO REMORSELESSLY WAGING A PROPAGANDA WAR AGAINST ISRAEL.

NOT ONE WORD AGAINST HAMAS ..... AND WHEN THEY MOST DESERVE IT !!!!

... so .. we see the truth of you, Jafar.

THE TERRORIST-SUPPORTING TRUTH.

[Drummond]

Yes, they certainly will devour their own.................we see that in the millions over here (under the title of abortion). Care to ponder on the percentages of abortion among Conservatives? They are ALL animals and for us to expect them to act any differently or for our hope of their thinking with common sense or decency is a flaw that we have in seeing the BEST in ALL people but we must (absolutely must) keep in mind that they are not like us nor do they think on the higher plane as we. Don't expect a dog to vomit and not lap it back up.....the left simply love ALL that is sickening and filthy. It is simply their nature...............unless they (the FEW) see the light.

Thanks, Red state - we think much alike.

What you've also given me, in the above comment, is reason to believe (.. which I had anyway ..) that if any resurgence of fully decent Conservatism is to make itself felt in the world, America will be the source of it and provide the necessary example(s).

Conservatism is alive in the UK. Whether it's 'alive AND WELL' is something else. Our Conservatives have features to their thinking that I think you'd identify as broadly Socialist. 'Liberal' attitudes to abortion is one. The keenness with which our Conservative Prime Minister supports gay marriage is another (some of his own Right wing have found that extremely hard to swallow, but they seem to be stuck with it regardless).

A lesson needs to be drawn from this. Namely, that, give Socialist thinking enough of an airing for long enough, and it'll infect all aspects of social and political thinking. We've been subject to this for generations, in a way you have not.

So the lesson is for zero tolerance against ALL enemy philosophies, ALL THE TIME. NO LETUP, EVER.

[Drummond]

[red state]

Thanks, Red state - we think much alike.

Until this all kicked off, Jafar, you were selling yourself as a peace-loving Muslim, against terrorists, rejecting terrorism as at all acceptable within the Muslim faith, and against what you, yourself, purported to 'believe in'. Now, we have hostilities between Hamas and Israel. You have been tested through these developing circumstances, and a VERY different picture emerges. DOESN'T IT ?



So the lesson is for zero tolerance against ALL enemy philosophies, ALL THE TIME. NO LETUP, EVER

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Drummond, you are, without doubt, one of the best spoken members here as well as one of the wisest. You have pin-pointed the core of jafart and revealed him to everyone as the scum I always knew him to be. As for the other comments about our enemies and the lies of the LEFT, I couldn't agree with you more and, as you said, we are very much on the same page.

I count it as one of the HIGHEST compliments that you would consider us to be like-minded. As they say, GREAT minds think alike. HA!