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    Quote Originally Posted by red state View Post
    I'd like more time to consider this for a final answer but for now, I'd like to go back to our founding when they were establishing the balance of power. I'd say that ONE man in power to balance the power is too much power for one man.............I believe the power of president would best serve WE THE PEOPLE if the people's governors were the balance of power. Of course, back then, distance was a problem but it isn't now. I may simply be tired but it seems that even the founders got away from States preserving their rights and freedom over a possible tyrannical federal gov. I believe I'll hit the hay now and sleep on the idea. Good thread, Perianne. I look forward to other folk's two cents/sense.

    We do have a balance of power, we have three branches, Executive, Legislative and Judicial. That system has served us well for over 200 years. Right now we are experiencing a breakdown of communication. The president refuses to allow the government to function as it was designed.
    The states are represented at two levels, Representatives in the House based on population and two Senators from each state. I'm not sure I like the way the Supreme Court is appointed. I agree they should serve for life, or they choose to retire, but presidents will always appoint a justice whose record reflects his political views. That can build a court that can be too partisan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrose View Post
    We do have a balance of power, we have three branches, Executive, Legislative and Judicial. That system has served us well for over 200 years. Right now we are experiencing a breakdown of communication. The president refuses to allow the government to function as it was designed.
    The states are represented at two levels, Representatives in the House based on population and two Senators from each state. I'm not sure I like the way the Supreme Court is appointed. I agree they should serve for life, or they choose to retire, but presidents will always appoint a justice whose record reflects his political views. That can build a court that can be too partisan.

    To overcome evil with good takes more than one man and one man has too much power whereas the other two "balances" require a group of individuals. I appreciate the lessen in our system and its history but I disagree that this has worked 'well' for us. As one who has seen an imbalance of power directed toward certain ethnicities over our history that was unfavorable to the Irish, Italian and Cherokee (groups within my bloodline) much of their turmoil was due to certain presidents who thought themselves all powerful. They made no bones about strong arming the other two powers that be and our history is full of this (regardless of ethnic group or situation) that could be mentioned by those more tuned to history.

    I appreciate your remarks but I stand firm that in our day and age, we could make this work and it'd work MUCH better than the system that corrupts...............in B.O.'s case (ABSOLUTELY).

    My point was that the EXECUTIVE office should be directed to our EXECUTIVE(S) who run their States.............some quiet well, in fact, and far better than MOST of our presidents over the years. This, to me would be a better balance of power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red state View Post
    To overcome evil with good takes more than one man and one man has too much power whereas the other two "balances" require a group of individuals. I appreciate the lessen in our system and its history but I disagree that this has worked 'well' for us. As one who has seen an imbalance of power directed toward certain ethnicities over our history that was unfavorable to the Irish, Italian and Cherokee (groups within my bloodline) much of their turmoil was due to certain presidents who thought themselves all powerful. They made no bones about strong arming the other two powers that be and our history is full of this (regardless of ethnic group or situation) that could be mentioned by those more tuned to history.

    I appreciate your remarks but I stand firm that in our day and age, we could make this work and it'd work MUCH better than the system that corrupts...............in B.O.'s case (ABSOLUTELY).

    My point was that the EXECUTIVE office should be directed to our EXECUTIVE(S) who run their States.............some quiet well, in fact, and far better than MOST of our presidents over the years. This, to me would be a better balance of power.

    I do believe we'd be better off with giving power back to the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrose View Post
    I do believe we'd be better off with giving power back to the states.

    I'm English and Italian from New York. I have a long fuse, but when it burns out, oh my!
    Yep, the separation of powers is not only along federal lines, (which the Irish and Italians did fine with), but also along federated lines, where the federal has usurped many state powers. Like how the hell is lunch programs in the discussions of Michelle Obama? and yet, it is.

    The states have acquiesced to the fed, in much the same fashion the legislative branch has acquiesced to the executive on the national level.

    We inherited a federated Republic, we no longer have that, but do have means of regaining if enough people make their voices known. What the politicos want is a democracy, with all the horrors the founders recognized 250 years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrose View Post
    I do believe we'd be better off with giving power back to the states.

    I'm English and Italian from New York. I have a long fuse, but when it burns out, oh my!
    I agree wholeheartedly! It was the STATES who came together and forged our law of the land and system and it was the States that demanded certain provisions such as the RIGHT to keep and bear arms (to prevent their State from falling victim to an overbearing federal gov). FACT. It is also fact that much of our lost RIGHTs and FREEDOMS have gradually been taken away (not from STATE decisions) but from tyrannical and ant-Constitutional leaders from within the federal gov. Bush was one of the worst to trample on the Constitution and B.O. seems to be a BUSH on steroids (something I've said for YEARS now).

    We seem to no longer be a Republic and many folks truly don't know what a republic is. We have false republics under the guise of communism and dictatorships so the title has been degraded to the point that many folks would shun from the idea if they even understood the meaning of a true republic. When our system or the wishes of the people is overridden by the few (as with Nazi Germany) we are treading down the wrong path.

    I am approximately 20% Italian, 60% Scot and 15% Cherokee out of the Smoky mountains....later settling in the Mid-South where my 5% "OTHER" came into the picture and I'll admit that I have a very short fuse. I've worked on this for my entire life, have gotten much better to control myself but I don't feel that control is necessarily a good thing cuz keeping a lid on the pressure cooker only accounts for a major disaster later. HA!!! Yet, I believe many Americans fall under this scenario and will be the only thing to save this Nation. This easing into this or that has caused us to shrug but when push comes to shove, I believe it will get very ugly and in a moment's notice. As Jefferson proclaimed, that'll be a good thing.

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    Let's not forget about the bastardization of our monetary system by the enactment of the Federal Reserve System, which was never fully ratified in the first place. Our founding fathers warned against allowing a private central banking system to become established in our nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyful HoneyBee View Post
    Let's not forget about the bastardization of our monetary system by the enactment of the Federal Reserve System, which was never fully ratified in the first place. Our founding fathers warned against allowing a private central banking system to become established in our nation.
    Um, passed by both Houses and signed by the POTUS?
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    I'd go back to the day BEFORE the Internet, Facebook, Twitter, and I Dream of Genie....and destroy Genie's.

    Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    Anyone that is a politician is unable to lie. If they lie they choke to death. Sure would change the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    I'd go back to the day BEFORE the Internet, Facebook, Twitter, and I Dream of Genie....and destroy Genie's.

    Think about it.
    I have looked back and read some of Gaffer's posts. I like him. RIP, sir.

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