Tired of your shat dude--fj - prove my racism here!

[aboutime]

I go back to what I said a few weeks back which got me in trouble - but it's the stone cold truth - go to ANY forum out there, post NOTHING more than simple statistics. 9 out of 10 times you will be labeled a racist. Quite frankly, a lot of these statistics make me pause, but that doesn't make me a racist. Pointing out that 13% of the nation commit over 50% of the crimes is a fact, not racist.

Unless of course, I point out the white percentage and crime percentage, and am also a racist for pointing out those facts.

Fact is, a lot of people don't like to see/hear about such statistics, as it's "taboo" to many, so we hide from it and ignore it. Well, some do, I don't.

Jim. I've actually learned to enjoy being called a Racist, and Home Grown Terrorist. Whenever anyone chooses to use those accusations. It tells me I am successful in disturbing them so much, presenting HONEST facts, and TRUTH which NO-ONE has ever been able to DISPUTE without making up lies.

It should be a badge of Honor these days. Whenever anyone calls us those names. It helps us prove how Miserable, and Ignorant they really are.
Presenting statistics to the Un-informed, Educationally challenged just confuses them all the more, and causes them to use more name calling to disguise their Ignorance.
(a quote by aboutime)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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1. Intent huh? Yeah, we'll go with that. You are not exactly well known for going to FBI crime stats when you get going on one of your posts.
2. See #1. Although I do reject their validity as it relates to the charge as presented in this thread.
3. I see you pointing out that culture was an afterthought to your argument.

Regardless of what you believe your intent to be the words, as you posted them, were racist. But let's go with your culture argument for a moment; Culture, I've heard it said, is learned. Where did blacks learn this culture?

Now, to your claims of "winning" points:

I didn't JUST admit that I don't dispute the FBI stats, I've never disputed them and have specifically stated that they say what they say. I do dispute that the stats speak to the cause of crime.
+0 for you
I went beyond the FBI stats to look at actual causation.
+1 for me
You still haven't addressed my links.
-1 for you
I seized on your culture comment? No, I pointed out that I disagree that it lets the rest of your post off the hook.
-1 for you

Your intent... I don't know how you can read that post and think that a black person wouldn't be offended. You didn't present any truth in that post other than what I think I've shown it to be. Now, I've got a couple of open issues out there that I don't think have been answered.

Do you believe that race is the primary determinant of criminal behavior?

What say you on the links that I've provided that speak to your stats?[/QUOTE

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I didn't JUST admit that I don't dispute the FBI stats,
I've never disputed them and have specifically stated
that they say what they say. I do dispute that the
stats speak to the cause of crime.

So you just admit my evidence that justifies my stand
and then turn right around to say that TRUTH I post
backed by facts is racist. Your logic on that is pure shit dude.
Truth is not racist dumbass.
Your damn attempt at justifying a million shades of
grey do not matter. And do not prove my racism.
I had no need to write a damn essay on my comments
since they had factual evidence backing them up(causation be damned) and by the way, Jim cites the same source (facts) yet you dare not call him a racist.
Why don't you just admit your error or are you even man
enough to ever do that?
You and others here have often attacked me for saying
the same thing as Jim, Jeff and other longtime members
yet ignore their agreement or previously held same
views(on blacks, gays , muslims). It is personal shat on your part so stop the dumbass spin and bullshit dude.
Your entire argument here is THAT you do not dispute
the facts(FBI) yet you then want to go on and attempt
to prove that my stating a TRUTH derived from those same facts
is racist!

Your are either plain stupid , grossly illogical or
cleverly deceptive.
I need present no more than your accepting my source
which validated my statement about violence and stealing
by blacks to prove your racism charge was false! Yet you
still want to blather on here ....
Well , blather on Hoss, I've proved my contention, you have
failed to prove yours because you only had left , the
intent aspect and you did not try on that and can not prove
that either.
You are what we call a stubborn Missouri mule ...
A man that is as stubborn as hell when also mistaken as hell!
I rest my case... Fully satisfied that any unbiased person will agree I backed my comments with a source you declared correct and not disputed by you. As to any other biased people agreeing with your lie and false charge, ffkk them too.
They can feel free to send me a pm here if they want to read more about what I think of such dumbasses! I don't play when pieces of shit attack my character while defending criminals and pursuing a personal vendetta....
Anybody , free to ask for my address. I back ever damn word I say , always have.. The TRUTH always prevails. Get used to it..-Tyr

[fj1200]

So you just admit my evidence that justifies my stand
and then turn right around to say that TRUTH I post
backed by facts is racist. Your logic on that is pure shit dude.
Truth is not racist dumbass.
Your damn attempt at justifying a million shades of
grey do not matter. And do not prove my racism.
I had no need to write a damn essay on my comments
since they had factual evidence backing them up(causation be damned) and by the way, Jim cites the same source (facts) yet you dare not call him a racist.
Why don't you just admit your error or are you even man
enough to ever do that?
You and others here have often attacked me for saying
the same thing as Jim, Jeff and other longtime members
yet ignore their agreement or previously held same
views(on blacks, gays , muslims). It is personal shat on your part so stop the dumbass spin and bullshit dude.
Your entire argument here is THAT you do not dispute
the facts(FBI) yet you then want to go on and attempt
to prove that my stating a TRUTH derived from those same facts
is racist!

Your are either plain stupid , grossly illogical or
cleverly deceptive.
I need present no more than your accepting my source
which validated my statement about violence and stealing
by blacks to prove your racism charge was false! Yet you
still want to blather on here ....
Well , blather on Hoss, I've proved my contention, you have
failed to prove yours because you only had left , the
intent aspect and you did not try on that and can not prove
that either.
You are what we call a stubborn Missouri mule ...
A man that is as stubborn as hell when also mistaken as hell!
I rest my case... Fully satisfied that any unbiased person will agree I backed my comments with a source you declared correct and not disputed by you. As to any other biased people agreeing with your lie and false charge, ffkk them too.
They can feel free to send me a pm here if they want to read more about what I think of such dumbasses! I don't play when pieces of shit attack my character while defending criminals and pursuing a personal vendetta....
Anybody , free to ask for my address. I back ever damn word I say , always have.. The TRUTH always prevails. Get used to it..-Tyr

Do you feel better after that? Because it was an awful lot of words to avoid looking in any detail with anything that disagrees with you. It was an also an awful lot of words to avoid answering direct questions and data that dispute your position that you think speaks to truth. You don't speak truth, you speak propaganda, and just like propaganda you use a little bit of fact to influence a message that you want to disseminate. If you cared anything about truth you would take the time to do a hairs bit of investigating but you didn't even bother to respond to my posts.

So, the point of this thread was about proof (which you apparently wanted to be defined): evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

Racism, since you haven't disputed the definition that I proffered, comes down to your belief and since you didn't answer that question I can only discern your answer based on your subsequent posts.

... the statistics showing that blacks more prone to stealing, drug dealing and violence.

racism: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Do you believe that race is the primary determinant of criminal behavior?

It seems your answer to the above is yes. And since you haven't addressed the links I've posted below I can only guess that you're ignorant as well.

As I posted before I never disputed the crime statistics, they are what they are but they don't show that "being black" is the cause of those statistics. I posted these before but you haven't chosen to show where they are wrong.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/v...ry.asp?id=1672

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...-violent-crime

http://www.creators.com/conservative...our-youth.html

So what is the problem; "culture" or government program?

BTW I haven't called Jim a racist for posting FBI stats because it is not racist to do so.