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    Default If the A-10 Heads to Iraq, Don’t Expect Changes at Home.

    http://intercepts.defensenews.com/20...home-analysis/

    If the A-10 Heads to Iraq, Don’t Expect Changes at Home.

    Aaron Mehta / 2 days ago On Monday, the Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette reported that 300 airmen of the 122nd Fighter Wing, a National Guard unit based in Ft. Wayne, IN., would be deploying to the Middle East. Although the deployment has been in the works for a while, it only takes a short jump of logic to think these airmen will end up taking part in the ongoing operation to “decay and degrade” the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (IS, sometimes referred to as ISIL).

    Which is why eyebrows raised up around DC when the Gazette noted the airmen are bringing along some hardware in the shape of a dozen A-10 “Warthog” aircraft.

    A quick recap: The Air Force wants to retire the A-10 as a cost-saving measure. It has run up against a brick wall in Congress, which has expressed reservations — strongly — that the A-10 is needed to run close-air support operations for troops on the ground.

    Air Force officials, in turn, cite military analysis which shows that 80 percent of close-air support missions are being done by other systems like the B-1, F-15 or F-16. Those who support the plane argue those figures are skewed and that fast-jet systems, while able to use advanced strike weapons, lack the ability to get in close and protect troops when the enemy is advancing, a point given extra emphasis following a B-1 friendly-fire mishap in June. And round and round it goes, with neither side showing any sign of giving ground.

    Whether this A-10 deployment will take part in combat operations in Iraq at this point is unclear, although using the A-10 to provide air cover for local ground troops would probably make sense strategically.

    Intercepts covered the potential A-10 role in Iraq back in July. At the time, we wrote:


    Many say the Warthog’s finest moment came during the first Gulf War when the plane efficiently ripped Saddam Hussein’s fleet of tanks to shreds. With groups of pickup trucks tearing across the desert and photos showing armored vehicles captured from fleeing Iraqi army forces, supporters of the plane are saying the situation is ideal for the A-10.

    “You want to keep in mind [that] this is not exactly a purely military confrontation,” said Pierre Sprey, considered the father of the A-10. “If you want to stop an outfit like these ISIL guys with pickup trucks and machine guns, there’s no other airplane anywhere that’s really useful.”

    Sprey raises concerns about potential civilian casualties if high-level fast jets come by and cannot distinguish between ISIL forces and innocent locals. In contrast, he argues, the A-10 can go low and slow to scope things out before engaging.

    “You can’t tell the farmers’ pickup trucks form the ones with machine guns,” Sprey said. “There aren’t that many targets. You’re not dealing with huge forces, so you really need an airplane that can get down there and tell a watermelon truck from the machine gun truck.”

    So would a grand showing by the A-10 in Iraq, perhaps protecting Iraqi ground troops or mowing through lines of IS ground vehicles with its 30mm cannon, lead to widespread support for the jet and force the service to withdraw its plans?

    It doesn’t seem likely.

    It’s easy to assume a successful operation conducted by the A-10 would turn heads on the Hill and raise support for the plane. In theory, it could give supporters of the plane the proof they need to push back at the Air Force’s attempts to retire the system.

    But in reality, those minds are already made up. The Representatives and Senators who will be voting shortly to protect the jet from retirement — and all signs are that the A-10 will be saved for at least FY 2015, if not beyond — have already decided the Warthog is needed. And even if the A-10 becomes a star during the anti-IS operations, Air Force leadership is unlikely to move away from their stance that retiring the fleet is a tough but necessary choice.

    Interviewed by Defense News in August, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh laid out the case for continuing to push to retire the A-10 and other systems, arguing that the military analysis is what it is, and it is his job to provide the best military advice to the Hill:
    Idiots the A-10 should have another decade in its life. Its a damn tough beast to down(many redundant backup systems) and that's damn important! Ask any pilot...
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    Tyr military contractors can't live off old planes.
    the Brass and Congress knows this. the pilots just need to STHU and fly what they are given. no one cares what they think or about the best tools and tactics for the mission.
    get real buddy
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    The Warthog is perfectly suited to this sort of role, as the author pointed out.

    The low-n-slow is dangerous because you want to get in and get out before taking focused fire and there's always the "magic bullet" that can bring you down.

    But the amount of devastation the A-10 can wreak in seconds is incredible, and it was designed for just this sort of operation. Well... more tanks, of course, but IS probably has a few of those by now, too. Toyotas don't stand a chance against it.

    I remember seeing pics of a Warthog that flew back to base missing half a wing back in Desert Storm. They're very tough aircraft and their pilots love them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Idiots the A-10 should have another decade in its life. Its a damn tough beast to down(many redundant backup systems) and that's damn important! Ask any pilot...
    These guys with the 122nd are awesome!!! They fly a pattern over our house right at tree level. I love watching them kick in and flip 180 degrees and fly over the woods upside down... The A10 is a great plane and is a freaking death machine......

    They (the govt) were thinking of closing down that base in Fort Wayne but our Gov convinced them to keep it open, hell they closed Grissom a number of years ago....
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    One of my favorite planes, the Warthog...
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Tyr military contractors can't live off old planes.
    the Brass and Congress knows this. the pilots just need to STHU and fly what they are given. no one cares what they think or about the best tools and tactics for the mission.
    get real buddy


    Really rev? Perhaps you would like to explain how military contractors can't live off old planes like...THE B-52, that has been in constant use...coincidentally....since 1952. GO FIGURE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nukeman View Post
    These guys with the 122nd are awesome!!! They fly a pattern over our house right at tree level. I love watching them kick in and flip 180 degrees and fly over the woods upside down... The A10 is a great plane and is a freaking death machine......

    They (the govt) were thinking of closing down that base in Fort Wayne but our Gov convinced them to keep it open, hell they closed Grissom a number of years ago....
    Its a tank busting beast and great for in close ground support. When loaded with that gatlin gun the baby eats up a tank like its ffing butter. Those sandfleas driving those trucks and cars are like paper to that plane and its gun. One round could penetrate thru twenty of those vehicles were it shot level ..--Tyr
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