Wafa al Bass

[Gaffer]

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.

150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.

[red state]

150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.

Nuff said!!!!!

[DLT]

She is setting an example they want the muslim women in USA to start following.
And very likely that idea will catch on if a few do it successfully here .
The Imams here are no better than the imams over there but quite possibly more restrained due to our laws and their greater since of caution and proper use of "timing".
If their man-in-hiding(bamboy) gives them a clear signal , they start acting IMHO...-TYR

Just imagine an America where.....

you can't even go to the local grocery store (Walmart) without worrying about some idiot muzzie radical wearing a bomb into the store and 'detonating it for Allah'.

It's coming. Leftie policies of no racial or cultural profiling and political correctness will ensure (if not enable and encourage) it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Nuff said!!!!!

TRUE DAT.....- --TYR

[gabosaurus]

Ok, enough, this time you're answering...

I can rattle off a list of about 100 Islamic terror groups, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths SINCE 9/11 ALONE. Can you please list some extremist Christianity factions that are performing similar acts? Don't backpeddle or pour your bullshit in here, nor disappear from the thread - either list these same groups in Christianity that are similar to Islamic terror groups, or admit you're trolling.

No one is trolling. You are trying to make one point and I am trying to make another. Your point is that more than 100 individual terror groups outweigh a handful of extremist Christianity factors. Which is true. MY point is that none of them, on either side, represent the true values of their religion.
It doesn't matter is there are thousands of extremist Islamic groups. Truth is, none of them bear any resemblance to the millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. Just as the relatively small number of pedophile Catholic priests doesn't represent the thousands who do a wonderful job leading their congregations each week.
All I am trying to get you (and others) to do and stop painting a large group of people with a broad, hateful brush. Which you continue to do because of extreme personal prejudice.

[Gunny]

Just imagine an America where.....

you can't even go to the local grocery store (Walmart) without worrying about some idiot muzzie radical wearing a bomb into the store and 'detonating it for Allah'.

It's coming. Leftie policies of no racial or cultural profiling and political correctness will ensure (if not enable and encourage) it.

TRUE DAT.....- --TYR

I think the point was, the comparison to current day Christian extremists. Even if these filth aren't representative of Islam, they are still basing their filth on Islam, even if no one likes it. No matter how you slice it, there is no comparison between those animals and Christians of today. Whether an appropriate interpretation of Christianity, or an extreme version, neither are out there today killing like the extremist groups coming from the Islamic nations.

Art of War... know your enemy and fight him where he lives.

[jimnyc]

No one is trolling. You are trying to make one point and I am trying to make another. Your point is that more than 100 individual terror groups outweigh a handful of extremist Christianity factors. Which is true. MY point is that none of them, on either side, represent the true values of their religion.
It doesn't matter is there are thousands of extremist Islamic groups. Truth is, none of them bear any resemblance to the millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. Just as the relatively small number of pedophile Catholic priests doesn't represent the thousands who do a wonderful job leading their congregations each week.
All I am trying to get you (and others) to do and stop painting a large group of people with a broad, hateful brush. Which you continue to do because of extreme personal prejudice.

I paint the radicals with a large brush, because there is a large amount of them. And when I post, I post with facts. You can call it prejudice all you like, but it's still backed up by facts when I post. I have issues with terrorism, mass discrimination of women, subjugation of women, death penalty for petty crimes, lashings/whipping or even stoning for what would be petty crimes elsewhere. When I make a thread, or supporting post, I try to include articles and irrefutable facts when discussing these things. You always call it hate, no matter how many facts are included. Feel free to do so if I'm condemning an innocent person, but if calling out the list above is a "hateful brush" or you think it makes me hateful, well then tough shit on you. There are anywhere from 100-500 million radicalized Muslims out there. If an when any of them are involved in the shit that pisses me off, I will post to condemn it.

Numbers and deaths DO matter. YOU want to compare the 2 "groups". Christianity is nowhere in the same universe when it comes to terrorism, death & destruction. Just because they don't represent the hundreds of millions who are peaceful - doesn't mean they don't exist - nor does the astronomical difference in numbers change. Sure, ignore the death and destruction, and then look at the similarities. Personally, I think the death and destruction they commit, and in the monstrous numbers, makes a pretty significant difference.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.

150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

I'll give it a shot at answering if nobody else will.

The Japanese practiced the Art of War during that period not any part of a peaceful religion(Buddhism)--- despite false claims that foolishly state otherwise..
The entire nation was geared for total war and murdered over a million civilians in China alone.
So despite the fact it was an attempt at trying to excuse modern wholesale murder by the Islamists today by citing historic wars there is the fact its inaccurate to boot by citing the Japanese were practicing BUDDHISTS during that period.

They were actually Shinto...

In modern scholarship, the term is often used with reference to kami worship and related theologies, rituals and practices. In these contexts, "Shinto" takes on the meaning of "Japan's traditional religion", as opposed to foreign religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, and so forth

A comparison fail plain and simple IMHO.. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Extremism is based on actions and beliefs - and Christians simply don't engage in that animal like behavior today, that the Muslim extremists live and breath still. There has GOT to be a reason that there are literally countless GROUPS of extremists within Islam - and one can barely count the same in Christianity. And it DOES matter that TODAY - there are deaths DAILY by Islamic extremists, and this is simply NOT happening from Christians.

Heads being cut off makes a difference. Being stoned to death makes a difference. Being executed in the hundreds makes a difference. Killing entire towns to try and form a caliphate makes a difference. Discriminating at the national level makes a difference. Subjugation makes a difference. Death for petty crimes that would get you a fine at best elsewhere, makes a difference.

Admittedly, Christians killed in the past, but the subject is today. Those folks aren't here and aren't a harm to life as we know it - Islamic extremism IS a threat right now. There really is no comparison, not unless this is a history class and we want to entertain the past, which I really didn't think this was about.

Other cultures and religions have evolved and became civilized, and Islam is exactly where it started at in the beginning - and in some places they are trying to reverse time and go back there.

You have an extremist that goes and pickets a funeral, tells people that God hates gays. This is always an example brought up. How many have they cut heads off of?
You have groups that cut off heads and are murderous thugs, taking over towns killing everyone in sight and terrorizing Christians.

Sorry, but there is literally no comparison between the two, not in today's world, not in the slightest.

I see. We don't anymore and our arrogance makes it okay to force it on those that don't believe what we tell them to.

Remember what I told you in PM? Look at your thanks. I hope I didn't miss any one of them.

[gabosaurus]

There are anywhere from 100-500 million radicalized Muslims out there.

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.

[aboutime]

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.

Gabby. Yes, you are. Your entire rant above proves your last line is false.

[jimnyc]

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.

Already posted here. Also, try doing a search on Google for 'percentage radical muslims'. Anyway...

A new Gallup poll is being touted as a “challenge” to western misperceptions of Islam. The survey was done on three continents and took six years to complete, and as the French news agency AFP reports, we’ve all been a little alarmist over here: “About 93 percent of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.”

Seven percent of 1.3 billion leaves us with . . . 91 million radical Islamists. And to think we were concerned! That piddling handful is nothing that can’t be taken care of with a little dialogue, a few billion in American aid, and some proper education. I’m feeling audaciously hopeful.

The guy in charge of the 6 year, 3 continent polling:

John L. Esposito, Ph.D., is a leading expert on the Muslim world. He is University Professor and a professor of religion and international affairs and of Islamic studies at Georgetown University and the founding director of Georgetown's Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding in the Walsh School of Foreign Service. He is also the past president of the Middle East Studies Association of North America and of the American Council for the Study of Islamic Societies and a consultant to governments and multinational corporations. Esposito is editor in chief of The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Oxford Islamic Studies Online. His more than 35 books include What Everyone Needs to Know About Islam and Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam. He currently resides in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Jeanette P. Esposito, Ph.D.

Now figure in that the population is now about 2 - 2.5 billion? That number almost doubles. There's a LOT more out there and many think it may be actually anywhere from 15-25%.

Oh, and a brain dead republican would still make you look like the fucking dolt you are. Any more stupid questions? Of course you'll just deny anyway, but I too would deny it if I just made an ass out of myself again, for the 654,987th time.

[jimnyc]

Another fine example:

In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[22]

19% of Muslims in France believed it could be justified rarely, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
25% of Muslims in Egypt in Turkey it could be justified rarely, and 8% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Britain believed it could be justified rarely, and 3% thought it could be justified rarely.
6% of Muslims in Germany believed it could be justified rarely, and 1% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Spain believed it could be justified rarely, and 6% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 3% thought it could be justified rarely.
28% of Muslims in Jordan in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 5% thought it could be justified rarely.
23% of Muslims in Nigeria in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 8% thought it could be justified rarely.
8% of Muslims in Pakistan in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 7% thought it could be justified rarely.
18% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could be justified rarely, and 2% thought it could be justified rarely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_...ards_terrorism

[PixieStix]

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.

Western arrogance?
So everything is America's fault?

You don't know much about Christians do you? Christians reach around the world to help people. But you want to condemn America and Christians and give a pass the islamic terrorists?

[PixieStix]

I see. We don't anymore and our arrogance makes it okay to force it on those that don't believe what we tell them to.

So forcing them to stop picking on innocent people is a bad thing?

They murder at random. And let's not forget that many of their victims are muslims, that didn't act muslim enough. Forced to live in a sea of shit with their little innocent enslavers