Ebola Vs...

[Drummond]

With an imagination as ignorant as yours I suspect you'll see what you want to see. BTW, I don't have "pro-BO" sympathies I have anti-ignorant tendencies which must be why I have to call you out so much.

It's fascinating to see both your reaction, and - more curious still - the support you're getting.

FJ ... you don't 'call me out', as you put it .. not as such. Not true.

As for what you REALLY do ... as I've seen in thread after thread ... is to debate a little, then, when you think you're in danger of being bested, you resort to troll-like trickery.

Rewrites of peoples' posts ... done to disparage, mock, belittle, whatever it takes, to - in your own mind, anyway - supposedly 'win out' against the opposition you're attacking.

Perhaps the most 'interesting' feature of all this is that you reserve all this behaviour - you, the 'Conservative' - for other Conservatives on DP, such as myself. Can you name me even ONE Left-winger here you've done all this to ??

You can't .. of course not, as we both know. And yet you, yourself, profess to be a Conservative ?

What's wrong with this picture ? ... Anyone ... ?

You are the self-professed 'Thatcherite', who's had to be told fundamental facts about her !! Such as, her 'Thatcher Foundation' legacy ... I repeatedly tested you on knowledge of that before finally revealing its very EXISTENCE to you.

But here's what I'm curious about right now. If I'm 'wrong' about your being pro-Obama, as you'd like to claim ... then, of course, there will be no question of your offering him support in the future. Yes ?

So why is that an issue for you ... and why do you have contributors rushing to your defence ? If I'm talking nonsense, then I'll be proven wrong. So .... what is there to defend ??

[Drummond]

How DARE you go against the gaggle. You must be after Obama's crank. Can't be anything else. Like you might just disagree with ignorance? No f-ing WAY.

Librull.

You know, if it weren't for the sarcasm, I think I'd agree with every word of this .....

[Drummond]

Right Wingers are their own worst enemy. They have become such loons that they even turn other conservatives off and make them run in the other direction.

'Other Conservatives'.

Other than what ? Other than Right wingers ?

There are Conservatives who aren't Right wing ? Apparently so.

You learn a little something every day, it seems .... tell me more ...

[gabosaurus]

The common influenza virus is more contagious and infects/kills more people than Ebola.
Trouble is, the flu is old hat to the media and doesn't cause the amount of panic that Ebola does. If you need viewers 24/7, you need panic.

The trouble with the current GOP is that no one can figure out who is conservative. Are you a progressive conservative, a moderate conservative or a hardline conservative?
This is why the 2016 battle for the GOP nomination is going to be a bloodbath. The fight between moderate conservatives and those who side with the Tea Party is going to be much more vicious than the GOP vs. Dems battle for the White house.

[fj1200]

Perhaps the most 'interesting' feature of all this is that you reserve all this behaviour - you, the 'Conservative' - for other Conservatives on DP, such as myself. Can you name me even ONE Left-winger here you've done all this to ??



You are the self-professed 'Thatcherite', who's had to be told fundamental facts about her !! Such as, her 'Thatcher Foundation' legacy ... I repeatedly tested you on knowledge of that before finally revealing its very EXISTENCE to you.

You prattle a lot but you have no substance... but I repeat myself. You're not really even intelligent enough to know that there aren't really any left-wingers here outside of noir and gabby but I challenge them when necessary. As anyone will tell you gabby doesn't really bother to respond to any challenges and noir rarely posts but he does defend his positions well without resorting to imaginative delusions. If any other left-wingers do happen to accidentally come here you and your knuckleheads do your level best to shout them down before any rational discussion can be had.

Of course you misidentify yourself as a conservative which is why you get challenged repeatedly; no real conservative I know has as many big government positions as you. I also question the knucklehead ranticals who are unable to engage in a reasoned discussion and can only exist within their echo chamber.

And regarding your Thatcher Foundation meme, you merely asked where I learned of Mags and her record and of course one can learn of her just about anywhere. Are you so daft as to think that the TF is the only repository of all things Mags?

And FWIW, I do try and keep all debates reasoned and personable but at times it's just not possible due to the ignorance and obstinate attitudes that I encounter.

[Raman]

ebola isn't easily eliminated though...

UVC or a 5.25 solution of household bleach
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/r.../ebola-eng.php

Also, it spreads through direct contact with infected fluids, so basic hygiene and sanitation would go far.

[fj1200]

Nigeria officially declared Ebola free - Africa - Al Jazeera

[Drummond]

Thanks for that, FJ ... a practical example of your trolling methodology .. exactly the sort of thing I was talking about.

But I still have my question: can you name even ONE Left winger you've dished out the same treatment to .. ?

You prattle a lot but you have no substance... but I repeat myself.

Yes, you do. Don't you ? You appear not to be able to help yourself despite what that says of you.

You're not really even intelligent enough to know that there aren't really any left-wingers here outside of noir and gabby but I challenge them when necessary.

Congratulations. But -- NOT as abusively as you challenge CONSERVATIVES here. By your OWN admission, if there aren't Left wingers (.. YOU say ..) here other than Noir and Gabby, that means that you attack CONSERVATIVES here.

So how come you, Mr 'Conservative', haven't found them to be natural allies ? H'm ?

If any other left-wingers do happen to accidentally come here you and your knuckleheads do your level best to shout them down before any rational discussion can be had.

- How ? Do we .... abusively rewrite their posts for them, for example ? Or is it just that YOU, alone here, reserve that for ... CONSERVATIVES ?

Remind me, again, of your CONSERVATIVE credentials ......

Of course you misidentify yourself as a conservative which is why you get challenged repeatedly; no real conservative I know has as many big government positions as you.

This 'big Government' nonsense of yours is your own invention. I challenge you to identify what 'they' are ....

I also question the knucklehead ranticals who are unable to engage in a reasoned discussion and can only exist within their echo chamber.

... say the individual who resorts to abuse at the drop of a hat !!

We even agreed, once, to ensure that no such abuse crept into a discussion. As I recall, by the third exchange, you 'broke', and the abuse started once more.

Produce ONE - just ONE - post of mine where I rewrote anything of yours ! You can't do it. Why ? Because YOU are the troll here, not me !!

And regarding your Thatcher Foundation meme, you merely asked where I learned of Mags and her record and of course one can learn of her just about anywhere. Are you so daft as to think that the TF is the only repository of all things Mags?

It's the chief one !!! It was designed to be her legacy. Any 'enthusiast' of 'Mags', as you call her, would know that. YOU did NOT.

How come, if Lady Thatcher is so easily researched, you proved that you HADN'T done that research .. ?

And FWIW, I do try and keep all debates reasoned and personable but at times it's just not possible due to the ignorance and obstinate attitudes that I encounter.

Your many abusive dialogues with me prove otherwise. And as we'll all know, I am far from the only person you've crossed swords with.

[fj1200]

Your many abusive dialogues with me prove otherwise. And as we'll all know, I am far from the only person you've crossed swords with.

I've "crossed swords" with morons with active imaginations who are lacking in the capacity of engaging in a reasonable discussion and have the annoying habit of misidentifying lefties. Some of them claim to be conservative.

And all of your questions have been answered in other threads which you've managed to run away from when the going gets tough.

[revelarts]

Nigeria officially declared Ebola free - Africa - Al Jazeera

1. BBC News - Ebola crisis: Nigeria declared free of virus
   
   www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29685127 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   3 hours ago ... Nigeria has been declared officially free of Ebola after six weeks with no new cases, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
2. 
   Nigeria declared Ebola-free, holds lessons for others | Reuters
   
   www.reuters.com/ article/ 2014/ 10/ 20/ us-health-ebola-nigeria-idUSKCN0I90T620141020 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   1 hour ago ... ABUJA/LAGOS (Reuters) - Nigeria was declared free of the deadly Ebola virus on Monday after a determined doctor and thousands of officials ...
   
3. Ebola: WHO Declares Nigeria Free of Ebola - Time
   
   www.time.com/3522984/ebola-nigeria-who/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   16 hours ago ... For the WHO to declare Nigeria as Ebola-free, the country had to make it 42 days with no new cases (double the incubation period), verify that it ...
   
4. WHO Declares Nigeria Ebola-Free After 42 Days With No Cases ...
   
   www.nbcnews.com/ storyline/ ebola-virus-outbreak/ who-declares-nigeria-ebola-free-after-42-days-no-cases-n229536 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   8 hours ago ... ABUJA - The World Health Organization declared Nigeria Ebola free on Monday after a 42 day period with no new cases, a success story with ...
   
5. 2 African countries free of Ebola - CNN.com
   
   www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/health/ebola-outbreak-roundup/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   54 minutes ago ... Ebola cases keep spiraling out of control in the three West African countries, ... WHO: Nigeria is free of Ebola after 19 cases and seven deaths.
   

Also SENAGAL

[fj1200]

^Some people must thing Nigeria is better than the US.

[revelarts]

^Some people must thing Nigeria is better than the US.

Yess which country is "better"?
That's the take away from the story.

Better at dealing with Ebola in a rational, medically responsible, non-political, non-media fear mongered way.
yep looks like it.

[revelarts]

UVC or a 5.25 solution of household bleach
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/r.../ebola-eng.php

Also, it spreads through direct contact with infected fluids, so basic hygiene and sanitation would go far.

".....
SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISINFECTANTS: Ebolavirus is susceptible to 3% acetic acid, 1% glutaraldehyde, alcohol-based products, and dilutions (1:10-1:100 for ≥10 minutes) of 5.25% household bleach (sodium hypochlorite), and calcium hypochlorite (bleach powder) ^{Footnote 48 Footnote 49 Footnote 50 Footnote 62 Footnote 63}. The WHO recommendations for cleaning up spills of blood or body fluids suggest flooding the area with a 1:10 dilutions of 5.25% household bleach for 10 minutes for surfaces that can tolerate stronger bleach solutions (e.g., cement, metal) ^{Footnote 62}. For surfaces that may corrode or discolour, they recommend careful cleaning to remove visible stains followed by contact with a 1:100 dilution of 5.25% household bleach for more than 10 minutes.

PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60°C, boiling for 5 minutes, or gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads) combined with 1% glutaraldehyde ^{Footnote 10 Footnote 48 Footnote 50}. Ebolavirus has also been determined to be moderately sensitive to UVC radiation ^{Footnote 51}.
SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C) ^{Footnote 52 Footnote 61}. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature ^{Footnote 61}. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20°C and 25°C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) ^{Footnote 53}. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days ^{Footnote 61}. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.
A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed ^{Footnote 64}. Infection control protocols included decontamination of floors with 0.5% bleach daily and decontamination of visibly contaminated surfaces with 0.05% bleach as necessary....."

Nigeria officially declared Ebola free - Africa - Al Jazeera

"....Nigeria becomes the second country in West Africa to be declared Ebola free in the past week. On Friday, the UN health agency declared Senegal free of Ebola after it passed the 42 day landmark...."

[Gunny]

^Righties need to be better and not stoop to their level. One good thing about RW "loons" is at least they generally aren't demanding that government do something for them at the expense of others.

The government can come clean up the mess I make.

[Drummond]

1. BBC News - Ebola crisis: Nigeria declared free of virus
   
   www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29685127 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   3 hours ago ... Nigeria has been declared officially free of Ebola after six weeks with no new cases, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
2. 
   Nigeria declared Ebola-free, holds lessons for others | Reuters
   
   www.reuters.com/ article/ 2014/ 10/ 20/ us-health-ebola-nigeria-idUSKCN0I90T620141020 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   1 hour ago ... ABUJA/LAGOS (Reuters) - Nigeria was declared free of the deadly Ebola virus on Monday after a determined doctor and thousands of officials ...
   
3. Ebola: WHO Declares Nigeria Free of Ebola - Time
   
   www.time.com/3522984/ebola-nigeria-who/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   16 hours ago ... For the WHO to declare Nigeria as Ebola-free, the country had to make it 42 days with no new cases (double the incubation period), verify that it ...
   
4. WHO Declares Nigeria Ebola-Free After 42 Days With No Cases ...
   
   www.nbcnews.com/ storyline/ ebola-virus-outbreak/ who-declares-nigeria-ebola-free-after-42-days-no-cases-n229536 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   8 hours ago ... ABUJA - The World Health Organization declared Nigeria Ebola free on Monday after a 42 day period with no new cases, a success story with ...
   
5. 2 African countries free of Ebola - CNN.com
   
   www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/health/ebola-outbreak-roundup/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
   54 minutes ago ... Ebola cases keep spiraling out of control in the three West African countries, ... WHO: Nigeria is free of Ebola after 19 cases and seven deaths.
   

Also SENAGAL

It is to be hoped, for their sake, that Nigeria can continue to be Ebola free.

Come to that, I'd hope for that for our sake, too. One less source of the disease might just improve the chances of its spread being limited (although I expect that's unlikely, considering the current extent of its spread ..).

Nearer to home - for me, anyway - we have, as a main news item, the interview Jose Manuel Barroso gave on yesterday's Andrew Marr Show (BBC-1 political and current affairs interviewing programme). It's significant, because David Cameron has been trying to get the concession from the EU for Britain to gain autonomy over its own borders .. so that we can control immigration from other EU Member States.

But Barroso (outgoing EU President) was adamant that the free movement of people, without ANY border restrictions between member States, was an inviolable core EU principle. Non-negotiable, under any circumstances.

So, here we are, with a looming likelihood of Ebola reaching Europe .. infecting any number of these 'Member States'. And there's Barroso, entrenched in his political correctness, to the point where he can't see beyond it to the REAL world. Obviously, it'd help substantially if countries could close their borders as they needed to. But, NO ... EU Leftieness won't give this consideration the time of day. If Ebola overruns every country, decimating its populations, well, at least it'll do it in a 'politically correct' way !!!

And the rest of the world will have to be on its guard from a couple of DOZEN extra countries ... possibly needlessly.

Leftieism. It'll be, quite literally, the death of us !!