Why, believer or not, you seek a Monotheistic God.

[fj1200]

You are not the God defined by scriptures but you are a God if described as I did in the O.P.

You have an internal set of morals and that is the God within you. If you have written the laws of God in your heart as Jesus puts it. If not then you have yet to grow up mentally.

As I said I dispute your premise. Nevertheless I suggested why one would seek a monotheistic God and nowhere did I mention Jesus.

[revelarts]

As I said I dispute your premise. Nevertheless I suggested why one would seek a monotheistic God and nowhere did I mention Jesus.

Yes his premise is flawed.
and it doesn't mean logically you have to get the answer he comes to.

If the question is why do humans all look for a monolithic God.
then the answer could very well be because there IS a monolithic God outside of ourselves.

in fact that's a MORE likely answer.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

But just to be clear are you saying that IF we can find ANY source to back up our opinions that makes them valid?
or are you saying that morals are basically universal?

a bit of both?

Becasue I can find ... what I'd consider ... some very IMMORAL sources that will claim they are IN FACT moral.
for example, Social Darwinist thought/think that it's moral for the strong to rule over/kill the weak.
Some people would agree with that "instinctively" and of course "instinctively" they are part of the stronger race or groups. And could "reasonably" defend their views with various text and experments and examples.

You forgot to reciprocate. Do so and we can continue.

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

the father who is the son.
Steps up. Debt canceled.

Here's an imperfect human anology
A king convicts a man to death for a crime. then the king steps down off of the throne to announces that he is the Father of the criminal and will take the punishment instead. The kings word is law.



now you ask a question about Human worth.
not an easy calculation. more than animals, more than things, less than God.

I've clearly responded to several of your questions now.
are you going to give me the source of your assertions that YOU are a god?

Right here. If you believe Jess was God.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I am a brethren to Jesus. Are you?

Regards
DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

As I said I dispute your premise. Nevertheless I suggested why one would seek a monotheistic God and nowhere did I mention Jesus.

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

[fj1200]

Thanks for this.

You're welcome.

[revelarts]

Right here. If you believe Jess was God.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I am a brethren to Jesus. Are you?
Regards, DL

Sheesh,
OK so now you are "brethren" to Jesus. Someone you've called immoral, stupid and evil?
DL you're full of crap.
you've said the scripture is myth so TO YOU (if your consistent) the kingdom of God talk is myth, withen or without. The father is an evil immoral tyrant, and predestination is stupid because if YOU were god you'd do it different.

DL how do you keep you head with the double think going on. Or are you Just trying to convince ME of something?
you said earlier that "your always honest"

If so then are you saying that Jesus is my brother and the kingdom of the evil god is withen me, and i'm the immoral god's stupid son's brother.

C'mon DL be HONEST be Consistent , be logical to YOUR beliefs. I'm pretty clear on mine.

But here again you're trying to define MY faith by selective portions of what you consider myth anyway.
Look here's one verse for you that I believe.
from the 1st chapter of John
"In the beginning was the word and the word was God... and the word became flesh and dwelt among us."

DL, you clearly understand and reject the Idea of the "God man" . I quoted you earlier doing so.
But scripture makes it fairly clear, It's not and Either OR, 'is he God or is he Man?', 'is he my LORD God or is he my Brother?' 'Is he the Son or ONE with the Father?'.
The answer is Yes.

If you take the accounts seriously that is. If not , of course your free to make up whatever version of Jesus you like, using a buffet style of picking discarding scriptures you prefer.

So, moving forward, I'm still waiting for a clear answer to my questions.
I've answered you DIRECTLY and honestly.
in post #41 and your follow up to same in #45, and answered your human worth question and now i've addressed your follow up to the follow up HERE.
the Scripture teaches Jesus is God.

As far as reciprocity is concerned, it's has been overfilled and you are in my debt.
I've yet to get ONE source from you on your beliefs other than THOMAS PAINE!

Or and answer to my follow questions. in post #44 and

If you want it based on reality, I already gave you this quote, if I recall correctly.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
I also offer common sense and our own justice system that says we should punish the guilty instead of the innocent.
Show your non-biblical source that shows an argument in favor of punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.
Reciprocity is fair play.
Regards DL

But just to be clear are you saying that IF we can find ANY source to back up our opinions that makes them valid?
or are you saying that morals are basically universal?

a bit of both?
Because I can find ... what I'd consider ... some very IMMORAL sources that will claim they are IN FACT moral.
for example, Social Darwinist thought/think that it's moral for the strong to rule over/kill the weak.
Some people would agree with that "instinctively" and of course "instinctively" they are part of the stronger race or groups. And could "reasonably" defend their views with various text and experiments and examples.

And then there's my main question still left unanswered from post #37, which directly touches on the thread topic

...lets try a different question.
You say we are "gods".
How do you come by that ONE idea?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Thanks for this.

I do not have time to rephrase all the garbage you have put in my mouth.

I do not suffer liars well.

I think we are done here after your closing insult. Have at it.

Regards
DL

[jimnyc]

Thanks for this.

I do not have time to rephrase all the garbage you have put in my mouth.

I do not suffer liars well.

I think we are done here after your closing insult. Have at it.

Regards
DL

Where is this closing insult that is so bad you now have to bail? Methinks it's more likely that Revelarts bombarded you with enough facts and opinions that you cannot refute, so you make up an excuse so you don't have to respond. I've seen you do this before as well. You suck.

"Reads",
Me

[revelarts]

Thanks for this.

I do not have time to rephrase all the garbage you have put in my mouth.

I do not suffer liars well.

I think we are done here after your closing insult. Have at it.

Regards
DL

Closing insult? i closed with a question.

But DL here are quotes All Directly from your various post.

...Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement. ....
....God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.
If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?...
..."'The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction:' ....
....Christians loving their genocidal God is like Jews adoring Hitler, and just as foolish....
...God may have begun as foolish, --- Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; --- but God is almost ready to obey his betters. Mankind....
....all biblical characters are mythical archetypes.....
...I am not fond of his (Jesus's) morals though. Especially if one ties him to the genocidal on murderer of the O.T. via the Trinity.
Jesus's divorce law is anti-love...
...If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible...
...That is what a good God would do....
...God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice....
...his method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus...
....When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. God is that part of you that is more fully human....
...Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths....
...Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil....
...Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man....
...and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?...
...When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood? If and when you say yes, you become his....
...Christians have an insane view of love, IMO....
...Your cowardly God...
...You also forget that the bible can be made to say almost anything....
...We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil, at all times....
...I too recognize the perfection of creation. Most do not. How is it that you do not see that same perfection in man as I do? Does God power to create perfection somehow stop at man?...
....The mental health of people is the more important issue and having all kinds of weird beliefs based on fantasy, miracles and magic is just insane. Especially if you are to base a moral theology on what talking donkeys and water walking God/Man say...

also i found this one
"Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods. "

As I thought, you see not only the Bible as a place to PICK and CHOOSE text that you like/agree with.
But all others religious text as part of the buffet table as well.
PLUS you somehow ASSUME you know the "ESOTERIC" hidden meaning of all the text you LIKE.

But that's funny you said in one place
"...You also forget that the bible can be made to say almost anything...."
Yet it seems to me that your "Gnostic Christianity" is BASED on doing exactly that.

DL, nothing i've said is a lie, I've simply pointed out your contradictions and asked you several questions for clarification.
And BTW you've yet to reciprocate. That seemed important to you, since you insisted that i do so.
But here's what i'll do.

I forgive your debt.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

When you wish to chat and not just trap, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

[fj1200]

When you wish to chat and not just trap, I am here for you.

Pot... kettle...

[jimnyc]

When you wish to chat and not just trap, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

Your trolling is not going so well, getting your ass handed to you in every thread you start. Personally, I see you as a useless troll, and I advise people to just ignore you, but some want to reply anyway, and that's their right. But you're as transparent as the Obama administration. Dropping your crap all over until you are called on it, then you find excuses to avoid answering or go silent.

[revelarts]

When you wish to chat and not just trap, I am here for you.

Regards
DL

I've asked you several times, if you would give some clear and direct answers to questions.
You've given few.

I'd like a real conversation.
Not some of what you've done so far which comes across to me LIKE this.

The Bible is myth... God is immoral... Jesus said xyz... you should believe it with the meaning i give it... if not your stupid, immoral and unenlightened.

the combo of your post sound like that to me. Am i misrepresenting your views?

I've asked several times now how do you come to believe that your interpretations are true? your sources.
I'm not sure why you think people should take the assertions you post in thread titles at face value.
You act like it's a forgone conclusion that we should chuck all of the Bible except those portions you like.
That we should not understand the Bible in the way we understand any other book. And accept morals and good and evil as you define them.

i ask you WHY?

And a pre-canned sets of quotes is not real conversation,
a youtube post of someone else's esoteric assertions is not real conversation.
And claiming carefully selected quotes from Jesus as true, while outrightly rejecting others as untrue and immoral I can't take seriously.

[jimnyc]

Redemption from what? Your genocidal son murdering prick of a God?

Coming from an illiterate who can't seem to figure out how to post properly? One who runs like a Kenyan in a marathon when asked to backup his made up bullshit? One who claims to be so smart but can't seem to grasp much beyond the 3rd grade level of spelling - and I can only assume at this point that this is why you copy and paste so much. You spam your crap all over the place and it carries over your stupid attributes. Just this retarded thread alone has been posted at 8 other websites, and that's on the 1st page of Google results, I'm too lazy to search further.

I'm trying to figure out a good name to call someone who races to many boards in the internet to try and rile up people he disagrees with. Stupid would fit nicely, but I think also too obvious.