Gays

[indago]

only allow them if the state wishes

The State of Michigan cannot wish an allowance for alcohol check lanes into being. They are ILLEGAL in the State of Michigan.

[fj1200]

The State of Michigan cannot wish an allowance for alcohol check lanes into being. They are ILLEGAL in the State of Michigan.

Regarding amending the Constitution in the State of Michigan.

Article XII: Amendment and Revision

Article XII establishes the rules by which the constitution can be amended. Several methods can be employed to propose and ratify amendments. Section 1 allows amendment by proposal of the legislature, and ratification by popular vote. Section 2, however, allows the electorate to propose amendments by petition, and ratification by popular vote.
Section 3 establishes the precedent that, starting with 1978 and every 16th year thereafter, the electors of the state will be asked whether the constitution shall be revised. If a majority of the popular vote finds this to be the case, there will be a constitutional convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constit...t_and_Revision

The process isn't that hard at the state level.

[indago]

Regarding amending the Constitution in the State of Michigan.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constit...t_and_Revision

The process isn't that hard at the state level.

And wishful thinking is certainly not one of the alternatives.

[indago]

Journalist Mark Sherman wrote for The Associated Press 17 January 2015:
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The justices agreed Friday to decide a major civil rights question: whether same-sex couples have a right to marry everywhere in America under the Constitution. The court will take up gay-rights cases that ask it to overturn bans in four states and declare for the entire nation that people can marry the partners of their choice, regardless of gender.
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"To secure and preserve the benefits of marriage for our society and for future generations of children, the union of one man and one woman in marriage shall be the only agreement recognized as a marriage or similar union for any purpose." — Michigan State Constitution - Article I § 25

I don't see anything there which says that Gays are banned from getting married.

[fj1200]

And wishful thinking is certainly not one of the alternatives.

Neither is bringing up topics and cases irrelevant to the issue but that doesn't stop you. States aren't compelled to introduce alcohol check lanes but they will be compelled to grant equal protection.

I don't see anything there which says that Gays are banned from getting married.

[tailfins]

Neither is bringing up topics and cases irrelevant to the issue but that doesn't stop you. States aren't compelled to introduce alcohol check lanes but they will be compelled to grant equal protection.

That's where the scam comes in: Defining equal protection. We did fine for over two centuries without homosexual marriage. I can remember when there were anti-sodomy laws that were actually enforced.

[indago]

Journalist Adam Liptak wrote for The New York Times 17 January 2015:
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The first page of a petition seeking Supreme Court review is the most important. It sets out the “question presented,” the one the court will answer if it takes the case. The justices do not ordinarily tinker with the wording of those questions. But on Friday something unusual happened: In agreeing to hear four same-sex marriage cases, the court framed for itself the issues it would address. ...Some saw an attempt by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. to elicit a ruling that would stop short of establishing a nationwide constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

The court’s first question: “Does the 14th Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?”

The second: “Does the 14th Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?”
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If marriage is a right, then why would the participants require permission from the State to exercise this right? If permission must be granted by the State, then it is not a right, it is but a privilege granted by the State.

[fj1200]

That's where the scam comes in: Defining equal protection. We did fine for over two centuries without homosexual marriage. I can remember when there were anti-sodomy laws that were actually enforced.

Were those sodomy laws enforced equally? Unlikely. Equal protection is not a scam it's citizens being protected, and treated, equally. Take marriage off the books and there isn't anybody being treated unequally.

[fj1200]

If marriage is a right, then why would the participants require permission from the State to exercise this right? If permission must be granted by the State, then it is not a right, it is but a privilege granted by the State.

Exactly, which is why privileges granted by the state need to be granted equally.

[indago]

Neither is bringing up topics and cases irrelevant to the issue...

But the point that was made was not "irrelevant to the issue".

[indago]

Exactly, which is why privileges granted by the state need to be granted equally.

According to the laws of the particular State!

[fj1200]

But the point that was made was not "irrelevant to the issue".

Incorrect. You just can't ignore the part of the post that shows you to be wrong.

According to the laws of the particular State!

Not if in violation of the US Constitution... you know, the one that matters... which is the question at hand as much as you'd like to ignore it. (see above)

[indago]

Incorrect. You just can't ignore the part of the post that shows you to be wrong.

Hallucinating again...

Not if in violation of the US Constitution... you know, the one that matters... which is the question at hand as much as you'd like to ignore it. (see above)

I didn't!

[fj1200]

Hallucinating again...

I didn't!

[indago]

From The Associated Press 24 January 2015:
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A Texas lawmaker would strip the salaries from government officials who honor same-sex marriage licenses. Other states would protect government officials who opt out of performing gay nuptials. In Georgia, where lawmakers are considering a bill that critics fear could allow businesses to discriminate against gay customers, the former head of the country's largest Protestant denomination recently urged lawmakers to rein in "erotic liberty."

...In Georgia, the debate flared this month when Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed fired the city's fire chief after learning the chief self-published a book describing homosexuality as a perversion.
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