Protect & Serve

[Kathianne]

Your Uncle's view is a to bad. But it seems various areas have various views. 2nd handily I've heard a similar story of an old cop in Texas that was advising a young guy not to go into the police work in his town and was almost in tears because his dept had become so corrupt. That good cops wouldn't be happy there.

but on the other side of that coin in post number #702
There are 3 other cops who believe police work in their towns CAN still incorporate the things your uncle was talking about.
various locals are different I'm sure but the SWAT team leader and his team in Kansas City made 180 to do exactly the types of things your uncle mentioned and it transformed his team and the area they worked in.

It probably depends on where they are. Chicago and its suburbs are in a different category right now then other parts of the country. Dallas seems to have implemented under its current chief a similar program to what my brother was teaching and wrote about for regional training. Proactive, community based policing.

IL however is a very reactive state. BLM is a strong influence, as was OWS before. It's been that way for a long time. Proactive by its nature is going to be subjective, deciding which kids-all? Some? A few? need a bit of help or constructive suggestions rather than being hauled to juvie or even brought home to parents. Then some need the parent route, others the juvie route. Now? Like the schools it will be one size for all. Fewer 'petty arrests,' but arrest will be the consequence when most interactions happen. Police will walk away/ignore what appears to be questionable; but strongly react when the outcome is clear.

[revelarts]

Police chiefs react with disgust to Minneapolis death, try to reassure their own cities
Where once police executives may have stayed silent, this time, they denounced the officers’ actions


In light of Floyd’s death, Polk County (Texas) Sheriff Frank Lott shared his thoughts on the sheriff’s office’s Facebook page Wednesday. After seeing the video of Floyd being “murdered,” Lott said he was “deeply” disturbed.
“I can assure everyone, me or any of my deputies will never treat anyone like that as long as I’m Sheriff,” he wrote in the Facebook post. “This kind of brutality is terrible and it needs to stop. All Officers involved need to be arrested and charged immediately. Praying for the family.”
Texas

"I was appalled at how they treated George Floyd and the injustice ... it flies in the face of everyone who puts on a uniform every day."
DeLoach went on to say that in no training that he has ever experienced is an officer taught to place their knee on the back of someone’s neck.
"It’s not something we teach, nor condone or allow here."
His department is required to keep close track of their deputies’ actions to weed out anyone who may have a pattern of issues.
He said it's required of all accredited departments but it's also a "best practice".
"It’s an early detection or warning system to detect any biased based profiling as we call it."
Sheriff Gator DeLoach
Putnam County Florida

Police Chief Jason Shaw described the actions of the Minneapolis officers as "excessive force" and said Floyd's death is a true tragedy.
"I cannot sit silently while feeling anger by this unnecessary loss of life and disrespect for the profession that I love," said Shaw.
Shaw goes on to say that as law enforcement officers they must be willing to be critical of any injustices at the hands of other officers who abuse their power.
Palatka Florida


Sheriff Scott Rose posted a message on the department's Facebook page Wednesday, writing that the video of George Floyd's arrest "left me shocked, sad, frustrated, and angry," and that the reports of riots and protests left him feeling the same way.

Rose wrote that he felt "shocked that another officer didn’t step in and stop it. Sad seeing Mr. Floyd begging the officer to stop, saying he couldn’t breathe. Frustrated that any officer would think this was ok. Angry that George lost his life because of this."
The sheriff went on to write that the department conducts de-escalation training, writing that "we train on pressure control tactics – a knee on the neck is not part of any training we do with our staff. Please know we would never tolerate any tactics like this here in Dodge County, unless that officer absolutely felt his or her life was in jeopardy. That obviously doesn't appear to be the case with Mr. Floyd."
Dodge County Florida

Police departments all across the United States, and certainly here in Fernandina Beach, have worked diligently to improve community relations and build trust through open communication. We have developed action steps designed to improve training and capitalize on the latest technology and proven ideology. We have listened to community leaders and we have taught de-escalation tactics and outfitted our officers with in-car and body-worn cameras....
I want to assure our community that we do not tolerate the brutal behavior demonstrated in Minneapolis which led to the death of George Floyd.
...This case is different and especially egregious as it causes citizens, including many veteran police officers, to question a police culture that could allow such a situation to occur in the first place. I know that police chiefs from cities large and small are outraged by the behavior of the officers in MN and I join them in expressing my disappointment and condemning the horrific actions of a few that serve to undermine the good works of police officers all across America.
Police Chief Jim Hurley
Fernandina Beach Florida

As your Sheriff, I hear your voices. As a law enforcement leader, I am embarrassed, and outraged, at the behavior of a few officers who fail to demonstrate the professionalism and humanity required to protect and serve our diverse communities. No matter how hard I try, I simply cannot understand how these incidents continue to occur and those officers responsible seemingly go unpunished."
"The incident occurring this week in Minneapolis is very disheartening and a concern to the law enforcement profession as a whole, While the vast majority of law enforcement officers serve with the highest degree of fairness, compassion and integrity, the actions of a few officers can create a ripple effect that has the potential to negatively impact us all."
police chief Cassandra Deck-Brown
Raleigh, North Carolina

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"For police officials who have been moving to improve relations with their communities by reducing their use of force, it was a sobering setback.
“There’ll be a tendency for people to look at that horrible video and say, ‘Nothing has changed,’ ” said Chuck Wexler of the Police Executive Research Forum, which trains police departments nationwide in de-escalation techniques. “And that is so wrong. So much has changed in policing.”
Police departments largely have better training now, Wexler said, and the forum’s often-promoted theory that officers respect the “sanctity of life” was cited by Arradondo in his first news conference."“These officers were held immediately accountable,” Wexler said. “Years ago, there would have been a long investigation. The first thing the police have to do is take responsibility. They did that. Watching this video makes every decent working cop sick, and it makes their job harder because the public will say nothing has changed.”
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“If you look at policing from 20 to 30 years ago,” Acevedo said, “although we still have these egregious incidents, when you look at the total number of [police] contacts [with the public], they’re small in number. Still, one is one too many. And it’s not just one.”
Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus tweeted that the video showed an “indefensible use of force that good officers everywhere are appalled by. … Conduct like this anywhere makes it more difficult for police everywhere to build community trust.”..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime...ir-own-cities/
and other sources

incidents like this make one wonder what's changed.
but frankly the fact that Other cops are so universally and publicly condemning this is a step forward and personally
this is one part of what people have been asking for for decades.


It's always felt like a it's a form of horrible gaslighting when police pretend, in the face of clear evidence or even inside knowledge,
that another cop may have had a good reason to kill someone.
Or they refuse to speak. (While condemning all others regularly, publicly and even as part of their job.)

admitting a problem and a fault is an honest step,
clearly and harshly policing themselves is another,
training is another.

[SassyLady]

incidents like this make one wonder what's changed.
but frankly the fact that Other cops are so universally and publicly condemning this is a step forward and personally
this is one part of what people have been asking for for decades.


It's always felt like a it's a form of horrible gaslighting when police pretend, in the face of clear evidence or even inside knowledge,
that another cop may have had a good reason to kill someone.
Or they refuse to speak. (While condemning all others regularly, publicly and even as part of their job.)

admitting a problem and a fault is an honest step,
clearly and harshly policing themselves is another,
training is another.

Doctors and lawyers do the same thing.