Originally Posted by
jimnyc
So this comes down to it being akin to spying on foreigners, but you're making it sound as if every American telephone call will be saved based on this bill, and it simply states otherwise.
Can you quote these approved procedures for me, Rev? Because if it's a blank check as you say, and different than this being non-US persons, I'm not seeing it.
Originally Posted by
jimnyc
Rev, with all due respect, I think you're picking out single lines and making more out of it. I could do that too, for example:
But I think if you look at the bill as a whole, it's simply an intelligence tool for monitoring and recording potential foreign communications, crime related of course. Where it mentions the US person, it would appear that this is where the AG procedures come into play. You assume that means it is a blank check. I would like to see/read what these procedures are before assuming it means that they can just do whatever they like. From my perspective, it sounds like their would only be certain circumstances in where it would be allowed, based on the AG instructions. But we won't know for sure without reading them. I'll look around and see if I can find anything more on that side.
"all parties to the communication are reasonably believed to be non-U.S. persons; "
that portion is in the EXCEPTIONS to retention beyond 5 years area of the law.
the whole reading makes it pretty clear.
like saying to 100 people, 'No one leaves the building for 5 hours. After that only those with a red shirts are required to stay indefinitely.'
The 5 hours includes everyone. the red shirts bit is for after that time only.
You can't just pull the red shirt section and say the whole thing ONLY applies to those with red shirts.
Originally Posted by
Jim
Still looking, but, reading this again it seems to state that one would need some sort of approval from the AG in order to go forward with something that was not already authorized, without a court order or subpoena.
"procedures" "approval" "authorization" The AG only has to write memo or give verbal OK to change 'procedures'. OR say NOTHING to reign in what's already going on. And as i mentioned he can easily make retroactive changes. The AG has a blank check to do so.
Do a search on what has already been done that's been questioned as over stepping in this area. But now, with the new law, it all just falls under procedure.
As i mention the NSA ALREADY has admitted to collecting ALL data. it's ALREADY approved, authorized, procedure.
The new law simply makes what's already practice/procedure the law.
Last edited by revelarts; 12-26-2014 at 11:16 AM.
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