Question for magical-genie (God) believers

[krisy]

Why do you have to start out your thread with sarcastic, Christian bashing, bullshit, like this... Question for magical-genie (God) believers

THANK YOU!

Hag-I've always like you,but the way you have worded your title and thread is pretty nasty and degrading to a way of life and core beliefs for millions of people. Since I'm a Christian,I will not say what I really would like to about it

[5stringJeff]

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FYI Glockmail: The "Guy who created God" is also "independent of the universe." So is "the Guy who created the Guy who created God."

If that's the case, then what was/is the first cause?

[krisy]

. People just buy into because they are afraid of what happens after they die. If they believe in this theroy it might make them feel a little better thinking there is someplace else to go.

This is what some non beleivers tell themselves about people of faith because they don't understand faith themselves.

[Lightning Waltz]

at some point there was nothing .... shortly after that there was something....

creationisim by definition .....

At the point that "God" came to be?

[Lightning Waltz]

God is not matter; He is spirtual energy. His existence is independent of the universe.

Prove it.

[LOki]

Not exactly right - God's existence is the conclusion upon looking at the evidence. that's how it works.

No. Every instance of evidence presented for the existence of a creator has ALWAYS presumed the existence of a creator--that's the only way it works. If you think otherwise, submit some of this non-presumptive evidence, just don't try <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0">Irreducible Complexity</a> on me if you plan on using as examples; those examples of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZdCxk0CnN4">Irreducible Complexity</a> have had their complexity reduced.

[nevadamedic]

How about this - Why do you REFUSE to consider the figuratively-TONS of evidence pointing to creationism?

The evidence is a book of hocus pocus by the church the most powerful and corrupt orginization in the world.

[nevadamedic]

This is what some non beleivers tell themselves about people of faith because they don't understand faith themselves.

I completly understand faith, I also understand it is a multi-billion dollar business.

[LOki]

If that's the case, then what was/is the first cause?

Good question, let's not fabricate an answer satisfy it. The first step is to accept that there is no more evidence for this "God as first cause" than there is for the "Guy who created God," so let's not assert them in the first place and just go with what we know, and admit we don't know what we don't know. Ok?

[Lightning Waltz]

If that's the case, then what was/is the first cause?

That assumes that there was a "first cause". It also assumes that an uncaused causer is possible.

[glockmail]

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FYI Glockmail: The "Guy who created God" is also "independent of the universe." So is "the Guy who created the Guy who created God."

There is no guy that created God.

[glockmail]

Prove it.

It's self evident, and believed by the majority. Therefore the burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong.

[jackass]

That assumes that there was a "first cause". It also assumes that an uncaused causer is possible.

Everything is assuming. You assume there was a big explosion (I am guessing) that created the universe and then after life. We assume that God created everything. Neither you not I can PROVE anything.

[nevadamedic]

Everything is assuming. You assume there was a big explosion (I am guessing) that created the universe and then after life. We assume that God created everything. Neither you not I can PROVE anything.

Ok, let's not start a holy was here.

[5stringJeff]

Good question, let's not fabricate an answer satisfy it. The first step is to accept that there is no more evidence for this "God as first cause" than there is for the "Guy who created God," so let's not assert them in the first place and just go with what we know, and admit we don't know what we don't know. Ok?

We may not know, but we can at least hypothesize:

P1. Everything that began to exist had a cause.
P2. The universe began to exist.
C: The universe had a cause.

P1 is obvious because something cannot be its own sufficient cause.
P2 is obvious from science.
Therefore, C. And we are back to asking, what is that cause?