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    This is what made my maternal great aunt such an incredible person. She survived the bombing of Dresden, the loss of many family members in WWII, the collapse of Germany at the end of the war, and many years in communist East Germany. When my sister and I would ask what drove her, it was always "survival." The simple act of refusing to lay down and die.

    It is much the same advice that I give to depressed and overly stressed kids who are approaching their breaking points. Divide everyone you know into "us and them." The cancerous, poisonous types who mean you harm and the few who genuinely want to help you. A great many kids already face a "bunker mentality" with parents or relatives that no longer with to deal with them.

    I went to lectures and presentations by special forces members in college. Their level of training and preparedness is remarkable.
    I am not sure what branch of the armed forces does this, but I recall hearing of an exercise where trainees are left in thick woods or swamps for a week at a time, with very few supplies, and told to survive or else.

    A question once posed in a seminar on mentality -- how would you react to being in harsh, life-threatening circumstances where others have shelters and supplies and you have nothing? Best answer I heard -- figure out a way to take over the shelter.

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    A question once posed in a seminar on mentality -- how would you react to being in harsh, life-threatening circumstances where others have shelters and supplies and you have nothing? Best answer I heard -- figure out a way to take over the shelter
    We - (well, you and other liberals and well-meaning soft parents - not me) are raising a generation who will LOSE. THEIR. F'ING. MIND. within about one solid day living the 'harsh' life of 'no power'. Shiedling our kids from hardships makes them soft - hinders resiliency.
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    do we still fear or think about when S hits the Fan? The more I see the rise of socialism the less i want to be connected to our society. Protected-from our society may be the only way to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    do we still fear or think about when S hits the Fan? The more I see the rise of socialism the less i want to be connected to our society. Protected-from our society may be the only way to survive.
    I never quit being a prepper. The power could go out, the grocery stores could empty and all hell could break lose, and I'm still pretty well ready. I have my own water well, my own septic, guite a bit of long term food stores, and thousands of rounds of ammo for multiple weapons. I'd survive for quite awhile. The ones that are going to die, and die quick, are the ones in the cities. It would be just a matter of minutes before the roads out of any huge city were jammed to a stall with congestion, fights and wrecks. 99% of the people wanting to flee a city wouldn't make it, and if they can't buy their water and food in a store, they die. Same story with any city the world over. It's not just here in America. The only people that will survive are the country people. Just as Hank Jr. sang long ago... "a country boy can survive."
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    I never quit being a prepper. The power could go out, the grocery stores could empty and all hell could break lose, and I'm still pretty well ready. I have my own water well, my own septic, guite a bit of long term food stores, and thousands of rounds of ammo for multiple weapons. I'd survive for quite awhile. The ones that are going to die, and die quick, are the ones in the cities. It would be just a matter of minutes before the roads out of any huge city were jammed to a stall with congestion, fights and wrecks. 99% of the people wanting to flee a city wouldn't make it, and if they can't buy their water and food in a store, they die. Same story with any city the world over. It's not just here in America. The only people that will survive are the country people. Just as Hank Jr. sang long ago... "a country boy can survive."
    Do you have evacuation plans/bug-out plans?

    When I drive through the big cities here I wonder what kind of apocalypse it would be; trash piling up - power out; mindless thugs roaming, breaking-in, stealing what they want. Rape, Murder. Even in the outskirts the bullshit would likely find it's way to folks 30 miles from town. Would take probably a squad to protect one homestead - and no homestead would likely survive 6 bad guys with AR-15s and higher. Few people's homes could withstand being shot-at with those weapons. I've thought about filling my walls with sand or sand-bags if I could find a way to have the framing support the weight. Still wouldn't protect me against fire, however. I'd have to plan to run if confronted, I think. OR link up with you so at least there's TWO of us against the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    Do you have evacuation plans/bug-out plans?

    When I drive through the big cities here I wonder what kind of apocalypse it would be; trash piling up - power out; mindless thugs roaming, breaking-in, stealing what they want. Rape, Murder. Even in the outskirts the bullshit would likely find it's way to folks 30 miles from town. Would take probably a squad to protect one homestead - and no homestead would likely survive 6 bad guys with AR-15s and higher. Few people's homes could withstand being shot-at with those weapons. I've thought about filling my walls with sand or sand-bags if I could find a way to have the framing support the weight. Still wouldn't protect me against fire, however. I'd have to plan to run if confronted, I think. OR link up with you so at least there's TWO of us against the world.
    Where I live is where everyone else will want to bug out to. There really isn't anywhere better to go than where I'm at. I'd defend my home to the death, and I have plenty around here to hide behind in a gun fight that will stop a bullet. But I know there's plenty of people here in the this little town that would band together, more than likely the vast majority of the town, and we form our own militia to defend our little burg against invading mobs. We'd set up a perimeter and all take turns defending it, and I'm talking by people with some pretty impressive firepower. We'd also have a main force ready to head for a hot spot if needed. That's one of the good things about living in a small close knit town.

    If the food trucks ever stopped delivering food into cities because it was unsafe, roads blocked, etc, then the people in the cities are going to be killing each other over a pack of hotdogs inside of a couple days. Give it a week and most of them will be dead, either starved, no water, or murdered.

    And you don't see a lot of people in cities owning an AR-15. Maybe they do, but they're going to need that to defend themselves, let alone try and take off for somewhere outside the city, and do they have a lot of ammo for it just a couple boxes? There might be preppers in the city, but they're plan probably isn't to take off for the country. They're probably thinking defend themselves where they're at, because leaving the city will be virtually impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    I never quit being a prepper. The power could go out, the grocery stores could empty and all hell could break lose, and I'm still pretty well ready. I have my own water well, my own septic, guite a bit of long term food stores, and thousands of rounds of ammo for multiple weapons. I'd survive for quite awhile. The ones that are going to die, and die quick, are the ones in the cities. It would be just a matter of minutes before the roads out of any huge city were jammed to a stall with congestion, fights and wrecks. 99% of the people wanting to flee a city wouldn't make it, and if they can't buy their water and food in a store, they die. Same story with any city the world over. It's not just here in America. The only people that will survive are the country people. Just as Hank Jr. sang long ago... "a country boy can survive."
    I'm not a prepper per se, but I could support my family for a long time. We have our own water well and septic, 800 acres of land, a variety of fruit trees, we grow a huge garden every year and can veggies. I have probably a year's supply of frozen meat, plus 300 or so head of cattle, and if things really got desparate we have horses as well. And as for weaponry and ammo, I could arm a small third world country. Have a huge whole house diesel powered generator, along with 2500 gallons of diesel on site..

    Not that I think anything like that is going to be needed in my lifetime. Better safe than sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I'm not a prepper per se, but I could support my family for a long time. We have our own water well and septic, 800 acres of land, a variety of fruit trees, we grow a huge garden every year and can veggies. I have probably a year's supply of frozen meat, plus 300 or so head of cattle, and if things really got desparate we have horses as well. And as for weaponry and ammo, I could arm a small third world country. Have a huge whole house diesel powered generator, along with 2500 gallons of diesel on site..

    Not that I think anything like that is going to be needed in my lifetime. Better safe than sorry.
    Very nice set-up there STTAB....



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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTermGuy View Post
    Very nice set-up there STTAB....
    If he really has all that and it's not a story...

    300 head of cattle would get stolen, unless you had a small army to protect them inside a bedding barn or something.
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    [QUOTE=High_Plains_Drifter;931114]If he really has all that and it's not a story...

    300 head of cattle would get stolen, unless you had a small army to protect them inside a bedding barn or something.[

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    Understand...My comment / complement to him was quick... simple....and carefree...

    (Translation I dont need proof and dont care) but happy for him.



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    I have weapons, not going to list what kind. I live out in the hills and my basement in my house all except one very small spot is covered around by dirt several feet thick . I keep about two weeks supply of water on hand. Food amount, can goods etc for about 6 to 8 weeks.
    Should it come to it, I'll defend me and mine and kill anybody trying to harm me or mine.
    The greatest plus is to already be totally prepared mentally to do just that.....
    Likely 95% of people are not that prepared..
    And they would not last very long against the worthless mobs rampaging around trying to take from others.
    Being willing to shoot attackers and do so without any hesitation is the key to survival in such a scenario, IMHO.--Tyr
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    Im prepared....for the last 20 years or so...

    Plenty of food...water...."medical"...tools...fuel etc.....Lost all my guns...powder and bullet making equip in a flood awhile back....sucks...paid a big price....ahhhh...yes life goes on....



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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    If he really has all that and it's not a story...

    300 head of cattle would get stolen, unless you had a small army to protect them inside a bedding barn or something.
    Right. I think there isn't anything about him that is true. I wonder if he gets free shit from stolen valor?


    But yeah, I think a two man team of at least semi-capable veterans could destroy or steal 300 cattle without too much trouble; same as even three people with AR15s, and especially if one had an AR10 or shooting 300AAC Blackout (have you seen the semi-auto 30.06? The noreen BN36), could shoot through any house any of us have with probably one or two mags tops. Then there's the burning issue - Molotov cocktails, IEDs, chemical attack, and even straight room-to-room clearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    Right. I think there isn't anything about him that is true. I wonder if he gets free shit from stolen valor?


    But yeah, I think a two man team of at least semi-capable veterans could destroy or steal 300 cattle without too much trouble; same as even three people with AR15s, and especially if one had an AR10 or shooting 300AAC Blackout (have you seen the semi-auto 30.06? The noreen BN36), could shoot through any house any of us have with probably one or two mags tops. Then there's the burning issue - Molotov cocktails, IEDs, chemical attack, and even straight room-to-room clearing.
    Yep... 800 acres is not going to be in town or on the edge of town, its going to be out in the middle of nowhere near other very much open land, and that's going to be hard to defend, and if people are starving and they know you have 300 head of cattle, they're going to try and steal one, two, some or the whole damn herd, so it's going to take quite a few people to watch over them and repel any attempts at rustling.

    Have I seen the semi-auto 30.06? Yeah, it's called an MI Garand...

    I have some armored piercing 30.06 ammo but no 30.06. I often look at them at gun shows, and if I find the right rifle for the right price I'll buy it. I also have, I think it's phosphorous tipped, rounds for my AK, so I could start a house, car, whatever on fire if I shot it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Yep... 800 acres is not going to be in town or on the edge of town, its going to be out in the middle of nowhere near other very much open land, and that's going to be hard to defend, and if people are starving and they know you have 300 head of cattle, they're going to try and steal one, two, some or the whole damn herd, so it's going to take quite a few people to watch over them and repel any attempts at rustling.

    Have I seen the semi-auto 30.06? Yeah, it's called an MI Garand...

    I have some armored piercing 30.06 ammo but no 30.06. I often look at them at gun shows, and if I find the right rifle for the right price I'll buy it. I also have, I think it's phosphorous tipped, rounds for my AK, so I could start a house, car, whatever on fire if I shot it.
    No one man can defend 800 acres against a group of men hellbent on taking it and the cattle. Likely would take over a dozen well armed men to defend such a large area-- and then to defend a herd that size-not likely at all, IMHO...
    First the herd must be cared for and that would take away much manpower.

    I had a very nice M1 carbine that I foolishly sold back in 1987 for 650 dollars..
    Have always regretted that. Guy wanted it bad, as he collected M1's.
    He had none made by GM, Inland Division. I had paid 50 bucks for it, sold it 4 years later for 650. Just could not pass that up..
    I have always wanted a M1 Garand.. Maybe someday if I ever find the right one at the right price. -Tyr
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