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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/...rotest_hearing

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The Marines won't kick out an Iraq war veteran who made anti-war statements in a speech and wore part of his uniform at a protest, the service said Friday, despite a recommendation to discharge him early.

    An investigating officer had recommended in May that Liam Madden, 22, of Boston receive an other-than-honorable discharge, the worst discharge possible under non-court martial conditions.

    Madden is part of the Individual Ready Reserve, which consists mainly of those who have left active duty but still have time remaining on their eight-year military obligations. He is scheduled to be discharged in 2010.

    Madden was accused of making "disloyal statements" during a speech in February in New York in which he accused President Bush of betraying service members and called the fighting in Iraq a "war crime." The speech was posted on the Internet.

    Madden also was accused of a uniform violation for wearing a camouflage, button-down shirt and jeans at a demonstration in Washington in January.

    The Marines said in a news release that they were dropping the case because they had "received sufficient indication" from Madden that he would no longer wear his uniform when engaged in political activities. They also determined that his statements did not warrant further action.

    Madden insists he never reached an agreement with the Marines and planned to keep wearing his uniform at protests. He did write in an e-mail to the Marine Corps on Tuesday that he would agree to stop wearing his uniform at protests if the corps put in writing "that my statements are neither disloyal nor inaccurate."

    Madden said he never received the letter he requested on Marine Corps letterhead and had no further conversations with the Marines.

    "I think it's a total victory," Madden said, speaking on his cell phone from Columbia, S.C., where he is participating in a bus tour of East Coast military installations. "The country is on our side, and it really puts the Marine Corps in a bad light if they try to intimidate" us.

    The Marines did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

    Madden was one of at least three Marines investigated for their protest activities. Another, Adam Kokesh of Washington, D.C., was kicked out of the Marines earlier this month with a general discharge for wearing his uniform during a demonstration and using an obscenity in an e-mail to an investigating officer.

    Kokesh's attorney said the other-than-honorable discharge could affect health benefits, but Madden said his attorneys did not think it would because he previously received an honorable discharge from active duty.

    An other-than-honorable discharge would affect employment prospects and ability to obtain a security clearance, Madden's attorneys said.

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    what f-ing disgrace.
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    This bastard is an Ex-Marine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Marine89 View Post
    This bastard is an Ex-Marine.

    EXactly.
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    and a war vet, see they all don't think exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    and a war vet, see they all don't think exactly the same.
    A bit of dishonesty from you, no? Who has EVER said each and every vet down to the man/woman thought exactly the same?

    Fact is, the overwhelming majority of us DO feel and think the same on a lot of issues.

    One being that disgracing my fucking uniform that I EARNED the right to wear, and did so proudly for 20+ years is the actions of a pussy, who has EARNED the title "EX Marine."

    And for those who don't know, there is no such thing as an EX-Marine unless one earns that title. Once a Marine, ALWAYS a Marine.

    OOH-FUCKING RAH and piss on this dirtbag.
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    Well he didn't get kicked out so I guess he ain't a Ex-Marine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Well he didn't get kicked out so I guess he ain't a Ex-Marine.
    He disrespected his own service. Who is an "ex Marine" is determined by Marines, not YOU. He's more than qualified as an "EX." Piss on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Well he didn't get kicked out so I guess he ain't a Ex-Marine.
    We've turned our backs on him. He is an Ex-Marine.
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    Now to the point. YOU may call him an ex-marine but like I said in the beginning YOU don't represent the views of all troops. They are individuals and I'm sure some would congratulate him for what he is doing just like some would call him a disgrace. Not everyone troops ect. support this war or thinks it's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Now to the point. YOU may call him an ex-marine but like I said in the beginning YOU don't represent the views of all troops. They are individuals and I'm sure some would congratulate him for what he is doing just like some would call him a disgrace. Not everyone troops ect. support this war or thinks it's right.
    He's got a better shot at accurately representing the views of troops than you do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070629/...rotest_hearing

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The Marines won't kick out an Iraq war veteran who made anti-war statements in a speech and wore part of his uniform at a protest, the service said Friday, despite a recommendation to discharge him early.

    An investigating officer had recommended in May that Liam Madden, 22, of Boston receive an other-than-honorable discharge, the worst discharge possible under non-court martial conditions.

    Madden is part of the Individual Ready Reserve, which consists mainly of those who have left active duty but still have time remaining on their eight-year military obligations. He is scheduled to be discharged in 2010.

    Madden was accused of making "disloyal statements" during a speech in February in New York in which he accused President Bush of betraying service members and called the fighting in Iraq a "war crime." The speech was posted on the Internet.

    Madden also was accused of a uniform violation for wearing a camouflage, button-down shirt and jeans at a demonstration in Washington in January.

    The Marines said in a news release that they were dropping the case because they had "received sufficient indication" from Madden that he would no longer wear his uniform when engaged in political activities. They also determined that his statements did not warrant further action.

    Madden insists he never reached an agreement with the Marines and planned to keep wearing his uniform at protests. He did write in an e-mail to the Marine Corps on Tuesday that he would agree to stop wearing his uniform at protests if the corps put in writing "that my statements are neither disloyal nor inaccurate."

    Madden said he never received the letter he requested on Marine Corps letterhead and had no further conversations with the Marines.

    "I think it's a total victory," Madden said, speaking on his cell phone from Columbia, S.C., where he is participating in a bus tour of East Coast military installations. "The country is on our side, and it really puts the Marine Corps in a bad light if they try to intimidate" us.

    The Marines did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

    Madden was one of at least three Marines investigated for their protest activities. Another, Adam Kokesh of Washington, D.C., was kicked out of the Marines earlier this month with a general discharge for wearing his uniform during a demonstration and using an obscenity in an e-mail to an investigating officer.

    Kokesh's attorney said the other-than-honorable discharge could affect health benefits, but Madden said his attorneys did not think it would because he previously received an honorable discharge from active duty.

    An other-than-honorable discharge would affect employment prospects and ability to obtain a security clearance, Madden's attorneys said.
    The guy's got more sense than the person leading the country, thats for sure. Hell, the war in Iraq is the most senseless war the US has ever waged, not to mention the most fruitless (except for the oil) - and the Marine, or ex-Marine, is right to protest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Now to the point. YOU may call him an ex-marine but like I said in the beginning YOU don't represent the views of all troops. They are individuals and I'm sure some would congratulate him for what he is doing just like some would call him a disgrace. Not everyone troops ect. support this war or thinks it's right.
    LMAO. And like you've been told I don't know how many times, we damned-sure represent the views of Marines since we are they, and you just ain't. And when it comes specifically to Marines, your relativist argument goes to shit. We take pride in wearing that uniform and paid a lot of blood, sweat and tears to earn the right to. Of the 10% average usual nonconformists, even most of them turn their backs on this piece of trash.

    Whether or not they support the war is completely irrelevant. It is unlawful to wear the Marine Corps uniform in part, or in any disrespectful manner, or in any other way than as prescribed by Marine Corps Order. It is a violation of the UCMJ to make political statements while dressed in and/or a representative of any branch of service in the US military.

    All in all, you are wrong on just about every level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul View Post
    The guy's got more sense than the person leading the country, thats for sure. Hell, the war in Iraq is the most senseless war the US has ever waged, not to mention the most fruitless (except for the oil) - and the Marine, or ex-Marine, is right to protest.
    You're an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to your stupid polar bears, moron.
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    And like you've been told I don't know how many times, we damned-sure represent the views of Marines since we are they, and you just ain't.
    No, you represent your views and your views only. Every Marine is an individual person with their own views on all issues. Joining the marines and agreeing to work and follow some rules doesn't change that. You can’t speak for all marines, neither can I but then I’m not trying to, you are.

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