The problem with Islam . . .

[John V]

At the risk of another Muslim ‘rant’, I’ll give my view on why Islam is incompatible with western values and culture by answering a few popular questions and passing comments on what lies ahead for America.

Can Muslims fully integrate?
Is Islam a threat to the west?
Is there a Muslim problem in The UK and Europe?
What does the future hold?

Islam is not just a religion it’s an ideology in that it permeates all aspects of a believer’s life. Apologists often seek to distinguish its followers into fundamentalists, or moderates, or Islamists, but arising from the warring tribes of the Middle East, its followers share the same blind obedience that allows no dissent. The Jihadist’s are simply the equivalent of the Christian crusaders, but its followers are required to share the same blind obedience, even if non-participatory. The various stoning’s, honour killings and mutilations are done by ‘ordinary’ Muslims, not terrorists, just as the burning at the stake for heresy and witchcraft was done by ‘ordinary’ Christians.
Islam also shares many aspects of a cult, (prohibition of dissent, absolutist, controlling . . .) and proposes agumentum ad numerum to prove its popularity and therefore ‘truth’. In no western society have Muslims been able to live peacefully with non-Muslims.

Can Muslims fully integrate?
No, not if they remain true to their faith. Islam does not allow for integration, except into itself. It is a cult of conquest and because it has no leading authority and structure, it remains in a state of perpetual alliance to 7^th century beliefs and customs – hence the Burka, honour killings and violence. It is unable to have a reformation, or an age of reason to bring it into the modern world because it’s unable to alter the Quoran. Islam and its followers remain static in their beliefs and is incompatible with modern western societies. Unlike other religions which practice tolerance and diversity, Islam is not able to accept anything other than total domination.

Is Islam a threat to the west?
Yes. Islam is a threat to any non-Islamic society and this can be seen across the world. Despite overdrive government and media protestations that it is a ‘peaceful’ religion its very make-up suggests the opposite. In the UK terrorism is now defined as ‘anti-Muslim activity’, in an effort to disguise and separate it from Muslims. It’s rather like saying the European Crusaders before them weren’t representative of Christianity.
Hammond explains in detail what occurs in societies where Muslims become an increasing percentage of the population:

http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society
America’s Muslim population is given as 0.6%, but the information is already five years old and the UK now bears all the hallmarks of a 5 - 10% population.

Is there a Muslim problem in the UK and Europe?
Sharia Law: (2014): ‘Sharia law to be enshrined in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines on drawing up documents according to Islamic rules.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587215/Sharia-Law-enshrined-British-legal-lawyers-guidelines-drawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

Education: (2015): ‘The Trojan Horse reports are in, and they make for damning reading.‘An aggressive Islamist agenda… a coordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos’. Teachers who claimed that the Boston marathon bombing and the murder of Lee Rigby were in fact hoaxes and an ‘Attack on Islam’.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/british-muslims-must-confront-the-truth-of-the-trojan-horse-schools/

No-go areas: ‘In 2008 one of Britain’s best and most courageous men, Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, said that there were parts of Britain which had become no-go areas for non-Muslims.’
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/01/no-go-britain/


It should be added that predictably, given its multiracial and diversity stance, the government and media deny this. Sweden on the other hand with the same Muslim mass immigration as the UK officially report 50 to 55 no-go areas and the denial by the French government that they exist runs counter to the French police who say there are an estimated 150. It remains doubtful then whether the UK has none which the government and mainstream media say.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/21/europes-muslim-no-go-zones-documented-on-video/

Meanwhile in America: Wiki states that Dearborn MI had a population of 98,153 of which 41.7% were of ‘Arab ancestry’ (Population census, 2010). For ‘Arab ancestry’ read Muslim and a sign of things to come?
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/dearborn-no-go-zone-where-islam-rules-and-christians-are-stoned#

It must be stated that ‘no-go’ does not mean an official ban; it means that those areas would be considered very dangerous for non-Muslims to enter.

What does the future hold?
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and also a much higher birth rate.
‘By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.
This projection is based on reasonably good data. Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent, making Muslims 4 percent of the population in 2008. Extrapolating from those figures would mean that the Muslim population in 2020 would be 8 percent, 15 percent in 2030, 28 percent in 2040 and finally, in 2050, the Muslim population of the UK would exceed 50 percent of the total population.’
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain

This is denied by European governments and media who predict that Muslim birth rates will eventually fall, or it simply won’t happen. The problem is that southern Europe is very close to Northern Africa and with a lax immigration system and a European multicultural policy, the tidal wave of Muslims continues to flow in. This is not the fault of Muslims per se, it is the fault of a liberalised European political mind-set that argues that a people living by middle age standards can successfully integrate in a modern western society.

Further reading from around the world
Europe
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2349/european-concerns-muslim-immigration
America
http://conservativetribune.com/100000-muslim-immigrants/
Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/limit-muslim-migration-australia-warned/2007/02/15/1171405374552.html

[jimnyc]

Out-f&^%$ing-standing!!

Is there a Muslim problem in the UK and Europe?
Sharia Law: (2014): ‘Sharia law to be enshrined in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines on drawing up documents according to Islamic rules.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587215/Sharia-Law-enshrined-British-legal-lawyers-guidelines-drawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

This has been a fear over here, and something discussed at length. I think that it's only a matter of time before attempts are made to integrate a part of Sharia over here, and it better NEVER happen. I don't think they should be allowed to integrate law, nor really have any stupid part of Sharia off on their own which they are trying. They want to try and avoid our justice system and use Sharia if they can - and the women's rights has been something I always bring up. If they have their way, their documents will make women 3rd class citizens.

Education: (2015): ‘The Trojan Horse reports are in, and they make for damning reading.‘An aggressive Islamist agenda… a coordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos’. Teachers who claimed that the Boston marathon bombing and the murder of Lee Rigby were in fact hoaxes and an ‘Attack on Islam’.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/british-muslims-must-confront-the-truth-of-the-trojan-horse-schools/

There were a lot of conspiracy theory crap like that over here, and you would be surprised how many believed just that and ran with it - even though there was video evidence of these 2 scumbags at the event, and even photos and such, and leaving the bag right behind where it went off. Then the guy writing his reasoning in the boat, he lied about his own actions and feelings. And then his admission in court, blaming his brother - there are STILL some out there that think he only did so because the government is setting him up. These people are nuts, literally nuts.

[John V]

Thanks for that

One of the things we pride ourselves on is tolerance, a sense of fair play and above all, democracy. It’s also what is destroying us. In the west the largest number of votes wins and if that becomes the votes of immigrants, or a religious group, then so be it. I don’t know too much about the U.S. but I’ll take an educated guess and say Muslims are already targeting the disaffected in the prisons, minority groups, street gangs . . . That’s how it started in the UK.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

At the risk of another Muslim ‘rant’, I’ll give my view on why Islam is incompatible with western values and culture by answering a few popular questions and passing comments on what lies ahead for America.

Can Muslims fully integrate?
Is Islam a threat to the west?
Is there a Muslim problem in The UK and Europe?
What does the future hold?

Islam is not just a religion it’s an ideology in that it permeates all aspects of a believer’s life. Apologists often seek to distinguish its followers into fundamentalists, or moderates, or Islamists, but arising from the warring tribes of the Middle East, its followers share the same blind obedience that allows no dissent. The Jihadist’s are simply the equivalent of the Christian crusaders, but its followers are required to share the same blind obedience, even if non-participatory. The various stoning’s, honour killings and mutilations are done by ‘ordinary’ Muslims, not terrorists, just as the burning at the stake for heresy and witchcraft was done by ‘ordinary’ Christians.
Islam also shares many aspects of a cult, (prohibition of dissent, absolutist, controlling . . .) and proposes agumentum ad numerum to prove its popularity and therefore ‘truth’. In no western society have Muslims been able to live peacefully with non-Muslims.

Can Muslims fully integrate?
No, not if they remain true to their faith. Islam does not allow for integration, except into itself. It is a cult of conquest and because it has no leading authority and structure, it remains in a state of perpetual alliance to 7^th century beliefs and customs – hence the Burka, honour killings and violence. It is unable to have a reformation, or an age of reason to bring it into the modern world because it’s unable to alter the Quoran. Islam and its followers remain static in their beliefs and is incompatible with modern western societies. Unlike other religions which practice tolerance and diversity, Islam is not able to accept anything other than total domination.

Is Islam a threat to the west?
Yes. Islam is a threat to any non-Islamic society and this can be seen across the world. Despite overdrive government and media protestations that it is a ‘peaceful’ religion its very make-up suggests the opposite. In the UK terrorism is now defined as ‘anti-Muslim activity’, in an effort to disguise and separate it from Muslims. It’s rather like saying the European Crusaders before them weren’t representative of Christianity.
Hammond explains in detail what occurs in societies where Muslims become an increasing percentage of the population:

http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society
America’s Muslim population is given as 0.6%, but the information is already five years old and the UK now bears all the hallmarks of a 5 - 10% population.

Is there a Muslim problem in the UK and Europe?
Sharia Law: (2014): ‘Sharia law to be enshrined in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines on drawing up documents according to Islamic rules.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587215/Sharia-Law-enshrined-British-legal-lawyers-guidelines-drawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

Education: (2015): ‘The Trojan Horse reports are in, and they make for damning reading.‘An aggressive Islamist agenda… a coordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos’. Teachers who claimed that the Boston marathon bombing and the murder of Lee Rigby were in fact hoaxes and an ‘Attack on Islam’.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/british-muslims-must-confront-the-truth-of-the-trojan-horse-schools/

No-go areas: ‘In 2008 one of Britain’s best and most courageous men, Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, said that there were parts of Britain which had become no-go areas for non-Muslims.’
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/01/no-go-britain/


It should be added that predictably, given its multiracial and diversity stance, the government and media deny this. Sweden on the other hand with the same Muslim mass immigration as the UK officially report 50 to 55 no-go areas and the denial by the French government that they exist runs counter to the French police who say there are an estimated 150. It remains doubtful then whether the UK has none which the government and mainstream media say.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/21/europes-muslim-no-go-zones-documented-on-video/

Meanwhile in America: Wiki states that Dearborn MI had a population of 98,153 of which 41.7% were of ‘Arab ancestry’ (Population census, 2010). For ‘Arab ancestry’ read Muslim and a sign of things to come?
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/dearborn-no-go-zone-where-islam-rules-and-christians-are-stoned#

It must be stated that ‘no-go’ does not mean an official ban; it means that those areas would be considered very dangerous for non-Muslims to enter.

What does the future hold?
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and also a much higher birth rate.
‘By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.
This projection is based on reasonably good data. Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent, making Muslims 4 percent of the population in 2008. Extrapolating from those figures would mean that the Muslim population in 2020 would be 8 percent, 15 percent in 2030, 28 percent in 2040 and finally, in 2050, the Muslim population of the UK would exceed 50 percent of the total population.’
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain

This is denied by European governments and media who predict that Muslim birth rates will eventually fall, or it simply won’t happen. The problem is that southern Europe is very close to Northern Africa and with a lax immigration system and a European multicultural policy, the tidal wave of Muslims continues to flow in. This is not the fault of Muslims per se, it is the fault of a liberalised European political mind-set that argues that a people living by middle age standards can successfully integrate in a modern western society.

Further reading from around the world
Europe
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2349/european-concerns-muslim-immigration
America
http://conservativetribune.com/100000-muslim-immigrants/
Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/limit-muslim-migration-australia-warned/2007/02/15/1171405374552.html

A very informative and well crafted post my friend. Bravo!
For a inside look at this subject as its been discussed here at this forum previously you may be interested in reading this thread I authored 3 years ago.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...e-my-stand-you

or this thread

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...rorist-attacks

Great to see and read another member that sees the grave threat the Western world now faces.
A threat magnified by the mass conversion of infidel appeasers to the defense of the murder cult (Islam) called a religion.
We have had such appeasers even here at this forum in the past.
People either so cowardly or gullible that they would happily doom their own offspring to the enslavement of the cult of murder and absolute blind obedience! God forbid such a tragic state and the death of millions that would ensue. --Tyr

[Perianne]

John, I appreciate your post.

Yes, the Muslims have a bigger and bigger influence in prisons.

Also, the thing that keeps popping in my head about "W" is his insistence that Islam is a religion of peace.

[John V]

John, I appreciate your post.

Yes, the Muslims have a bigger and bigger influence in prisons.

Also, the thing that keeps popping in my head about "W" is his insistence that Islam is a religion of peace.

Who's ''W''?

[Perianne]

Who's ''W''?

Our 43rd President.

[Polite Russian]

Hey guys. I think you may be interested how we fight with the "problemic Islamists" in Russia nowadays

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Hey guys. I think you may be interested how we fight with the "problemic Islamists" nowadays

I checked the first link you gave, seems to be a lot of doubt over there about how severe or how the problem with the Islamists is being addressed.
Is there any reason why the problem should not be addressed with far more severe measures leveled against the murdering cultists the Muslims?

Here are the posts that lead me to ask this question--

PurpleMay 3 weeks ago
Отличная ветка комментов, наглядно демонстрирующая степень вымывания критичного мышления из голов лектората.
Зачем думать над тем, что кого-то просто убивают без суда, зачем задавать вопросы и требовать на них ответы. Верь батюшке Путину самозабвенно, ибо Россия в кольце врагов, и внутри чрева ея шевелится поганая пятая колонна. Slavяне.

PurpleMay 3 weeks ago
* Excellent branch of comments, demonstrates the degree of leaching of critical thinking of the heads of the readership.
Why think about the fact that someone just killed without trial, why ask questions and demand answers. Believe priest Putin enthusiastically, because Russia is surrounded by enemies, and moving inside the womb of Her filthy fifth column. Slavyane.


Serg Fair 1 year ago
Вопрос, который я задавал Путину, но так и не услышал ответ: "Почему, так называемых, террористов не ловят живьём, разве нечего у них спросить? Даже в Великую Отечественную из немецкого тыла "языков" приводили, а тут по ТВ нам показывают показные зачистки." Люди, не думающие головой, под этим видео ставят лайки. Сегодня одних назначили террористами, а завтра, возможно, придут к вам!
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Serg Fair 1 year ago
* The question I asked Mr. Putin, but did not hear the answer: "Why do so-called terrorists are caught alive, did nothing to ask them? Even in the Great Patriotic War from the German home front" languages "drive, and then show us on TV ostentatious stripping. "People do not think his head, put a video under this huskies. Today, one appointed by terrorists, and tomorrow, perhaps, will come to you!
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Димас Ланин 2 months ago
Сколь сюжетов показывали про подставных террористов для отчетности, что и сомневаешься настоящая ли ликвидация или отработанный сюжет. Просто не могу понять как вычисляют террористов. Логично предположить, что когда готовят теракт, то стараются быть ниже воды тише травы... разве не так? А если так, то как вычислят? А ведь зарплату надо получать и отчетность просят, и что только не придумаешь ради зарплаты... или я ошибаюсь? откуда тогда слухи про подставных людей? Где то ведь есть правда, не так ли?

Dimas Lanin 2 months ago
* How about showing scenes of dummy terrorists reporting that real doubt whether the elimination of the waste or the plot. I just can not understand how to calculate the terrorists. It is logical to assume that when preparing a terrorist act, then try to be quieter water below the grass ... is not it? And if so, how to calculate? But we must pay to receive and ask for statements and that only you can imagine for the sake of wages ... or am I wrong? whence then rumors about straw men? Where is that in fact is true, is not it?

[John V]

Hey guys. I think you may be interested how we fight with the "problemic Islamists" in Russia nowadays

It’s the only way to do it. Every country that has appeased them has suffered. Here in China they go on the rampage now and again in small groups, usually chopping people up with knives and axes at train stations or airports. The police shoot them and then go to the places they came from and round up the accomplices. They get a short trial and are then taken to a field and shot in the back of the head. It’s all televised and no one bats an eyelid, it’s open to public viewing as well, but I’ve never been. Terrorists, rapists and drug dealers meet the same end here.

[fj1200]

Islam is not just a religion it’s an ideology in that it permeates all aspects of a believer’s life.

IMO it comes down to one word; Theocracy. The combination of church/mosque and state is very dangerous.

[fj1200]

Yes, the Muslims have a bigger and bigger influence in prisons.

You should rethink your tougher laws/more jails stance IMO.

[Gadget (fmr Marine)]

Interesting conversation going on here....I have no doubt that Islamists are going to be the cause of the next global war...

May I suggest the following book, as a primer to the root causes, and necessity of a reformation with Islam, if it is to be a religion in the future....all religions have gone through a reformation. There is no doubt that Christianity gone through a reformation (several times), remember as late as the 1600's when witches were executed in the name of the "good book," in Colonial America....

Reformation should include the Mecca period of Muhammad, as a peaceful and exhorted people to submit to Islam, contrary to his time in Mecca, when he used the threat of the sword to compel conversion....

Great read, if you are really interested, written by a Somali woman, who emigrated to Holland, became a member of Parliament, and truly an inspiration.....although she has been labeled an apostate, and a fatwah has been issued condemning her to death by those following the Mecca provisions of Islam.

http://www.amazon.com/Heretic-Why-Is.../dp/0062333933

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Interesting conversation going on here....I have no doubt that Islamists are going to be the cause of the next global war...

May I suggest the following book, as a primer to the root causes, and necessity of a reformation with Islam, if it is to be a religion in the future....all religions have gone through a reformation. There is no doubt that Christianity gone through a reformation (several times), remember as late as the 1600's when witches were executed in the name of the "good book," in Colonial America....

Reformation should include the Mecca period of Muhammad, as a peaceful and exhorted people to submit to Islam, contrary to his time in Mecca, when he used the threat of the sword to compel conversion....

Great read, if you are really interested, written by a Somali woman, who emigrated to Holland, became a member of Parliament, and truly an inspiration.....although she has been labeled an apostate, and a fatwah has been issued condemning her to death by those following the Mecca provisions of Islam.

http://www.amazon.com/Heretic-Why-Is.../dp/0062333933

Interesting conversation going on here....I have no doubt that Islamists are going to be the cause of the next global war...

I have no doubt about that myself...Every indication points to Islam as being the primary suspect in such a scenario.
In fact, Islam itself projects that as its primary mission--World Domination with a capital "D". ..--Tyr

[Perianne]

Has anyone else read Mark Steyn's America Alone: The end of the world as we know it?

It is about the Islam problem. Great book.