".......Crime and punishment. How would you fix it?"

[Gunny]

`....No one has to shoot anyone in Prison....there are ways/options to make prisoners (who earned their stay in Prison) to work...

...want better food?...work..want sun-light? ..work......want books to read?...work...Wanna continue enjoying your hobby? ...work...want clean attire?...work....... Wanna stay locked up...in the dark eating bad food and stinky cloths with nothing to do and Die?....Your choice Prisoner....

*Now...of course...`for now`....Liberalism will not allow this

There are no legal ways. You offer incentives. That takes "make" off the table. Otherwise, you have no legal leverage. Are you suggesting illegal methods?

Your second sentence is just what I said. You offer incentives. You can't threaten with hygiene. Against the law. You can't lock them up in the dark. Alcatraz went the way of the dodo years ago. The food's always bad at best.

But, you can't "make" a prisoner do jack sh*t but serve his time. If he chooses to be locked in the hole 23 hours a day rather than bust his ass for someone's idealism, you ain't going to get a nickel's worth of work out of him.

[LongTermGuy]

There are no legal ways. You offer incentives. That takes "make" off the table. Otherwise, you have no legal leverage. Are you suggesting illegal methods?

Your second sentence is just what I said. You offer incentives. You can't threaten with hygiene. Against the law. You can't lock them up in the dark. Alcatraz went the way of the dodo years ago. The food's always bad at best.

But, you can't "make" a prisoner do jack sh*t but serve his time. If he chooses to be locked in the hole 23 hours a day rather than bust his ass for someone's idealism, you ain't going to get a nickel's worth of work out of him.

The way things are today...You are correct....^^

"....Law"...who is writing these "Laws"?...The answer is simple...keep reading...

**Prisoners are just that...Prisons are made for Prisoners ....There are many bad folks that go to Prison....and enjoy it there...get stronger..lift weights...etc..Todays Prisons are very soft....wonder why that is? Prison should be a bad place....a scary place...people should fear prison....*In Prison...Prisoners should do as they are told....they are the ones who made bad decisions to get there....

Example
...Ahhh...the ugly head of Liberalism ...again...
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`Most paroled inmates come back to prison.....he past few years California has paroled around 125,000 inmates from state prisons each year. Strangely, that same number enter prison on parole violations and new terms every year. That rather conviently keeps the beds well stocked with bodies and maintains the status quo. The recidivism rate is said to be around 70% over three years. That means of the 125,000 people paroled last year, in two more years over 87,000 of them will be back in prison or will have been back.`...

***"The perpetual question is always why? Why do we have so many people coming back to prison, year after dreary year? Prisoner administrators say they want to know. Prison activists are desperate to find the reasons. The very few citizens who are actually interested in prisons (mostly families of inmates or crime victims) want to know. And the legislature should want to know, but they have shown they have no stomach for the ugliness of prison issues (at least the California Assembly) so they really don’t want to hear about it...."

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Some comments:

~ "It costs $24,000 to support a prisoner behind bars, yet the US poverty line for a family of 4 is only $23,050. Food in prison is actually better than food served in public schools. Think about it, we're feeding our rapists and murderers better meals than our own children. We are basically sending prisoners to a private resort. A prisoner should not have these privileges. Prison is supposed to be a form of punishment, not a home away from home" ~

~"Just being locked up is not punishment enough. If the idea of being in prison is supposed to stop people from going into prison why do people repeatedly commit crimes when the finish there sentence. What happens in prisons should shock people out of being criminals and from that massively discourage people from committing crimes and being sent to prison. It's not supposed to be a holiday camp? Is it...?" ~

*​A lot of changes need to be made....(so ..ya....Prisoners dont do much if they dont want to...


http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-pr...e-incarcerated

[aboutime]

This song actually sums up the whole question. Whether you like the law, or hate cops for whatever reason

because many of you have had bad experiences with cops...you blanket all of them the same.

RULE OF THUMB: You will never have a bad experience with ANY police officer IF...you haven't done anything wrong. Your attitude shows if you hate, or do not want to obey the officers who are paid to enforce the laws you may, or may not agree with.
If you dislike any law. GET IT CHANGED...but obey them until that change takes place.

And finally. I don't really give a crap what ANYONE HERE thinks about me and my opinions about the police.

[Jeff]

Again, if lockdown doesn't bother me, how are you going to make me work? I'm in prison. You can't make me do sh*t so you better be offering something which takes "make" off the table.

Want to shoot? Go ahead. I'm thinking your career is going to be short and you're going to be bretheren with those you were shooting.

`....No one has to shoot anyone in Prison....there are ways/options to make prisoners (who earned their stay in Prison) to work...

...want better food?...work..want sun-light? ..work......want books to read?...work...Wanna continue enjoying your hobby? ...work...want clean attire?...work....... Wanna stay locked up...in the dark eating bad food and stinky cloths with nothing to do and Die?....Your choice Prisoner....

*Now...of course...`for now`....Liberalism will not allow this

Forget good food, if you want any food you will earn it period !!!

[Gunny]

Forget good food, if you want any food you will earn it period !!!

Nice sentiment but you know it doesn't work that way. We're close enough to 30s-40s era Nazi concentration camps. Probably don't need to go full tilt.

[Little-Acorn]

I would start by removing all leading quotes and periods from sentences that have no reason to have them.

[LongTermGuy]

I would start by removing all leading quotes and periods from sentences that have no reason to have them.

``.........why.....does it bother you...........just... ignore them.....ok........````
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[Jeff]

`..................if you were in charge of setting punishments for crime..............`


`..........How would you fix the corrections system in this country?`

`.......*What would you change in order to fix the problems of crime in this country?`

`.....*Why would you make those choices? `

`*You have a blank slate........... Go!`

Nice sentiment but you know it doesn't work that way. We're close enough to 30s-40s era Nazi concentration camps. Probably don't need to go full tilt.

I agree Gunny, but I was going with doing it my way.

[fj1200]

I agree with everything you say fj, my issue is how do you fix it? In Newark NJ they rebuilt the project, made the new ones look beautiful, they opened them up as low income housing and as folks moved out of the old places they rebuilt them as well. Now Newark has two set of slums instead of one, some folks want to live that way. Again I agree in theory but if someone refuses to live the correct way and destroy the new they are given then you can't fix it. How goes the ols saying, Ya can't fix stupid.

Therein lies the rub but at the very least without knowing the problem you're just doing the same old thing which is kind of stupid too. I saw parts of some PBS thing about the St. Louis projects (Pruitt-Igoe) that failed and they said something like "we can't judge all projects based on what happened here." Which may be true if the story wasn't similar to plenty of other efforts around the country (The 7 Most Infamous U.S. Public Housing Projects).

But our overall problem was that the anti-poverty/welfare efforts incentivized stupidity so until we can somehow stop that then nothing else is going to work. Oh yeah, we also have an abysmal corporate policies that keep jobs from being created, especially on the lower wage end, which is another piece of any reform. In other words, some people have no choice but to live that way. And our schools suck... not sure where to stop with all the ways government has screwed over parts of our population.

[jimnyc]

Kill everyone. No matter how big the crime, no matter how small, just kill them on the spot. Crime will be almost extinct before long.

[fj1200]

Kill everyone. No matter how big the crime, no matter how small, just kill them on the spot. Humans will be almost extinct before long.

[Little-Acorn]

Kill everyone. No matter how big the crime, no matter how small, just kill them on the spot. Crime will be almost extinct before long.

We don't get to torture them first?

Pillage their houses, rape their women, sell their families into slavery?

Piker.

[aboutime]

Kill everyone. No matter how big the crime, no matter how small, just kill them on the spot. Crime will be almost extinct before long.

I'd prefer sending all the convicted/guilty to GITMO, where they would be confined to small rooms decorated with OBAMA, and HILLARY photo's, while a constant recording of Bill Clinton is played over the public address system that repeats his words "I did not have sexual relations with that young woman, Ms. Lewinski."

And in the background...play Debbie Boone singing "You light up my life", on a continuous reel.

[LongTermGuy]

I'd prefer sending all the convicted/guilty to GITMO, where they would be confined to small rooms decorated with OBAMA, and HILLARY photo's, while a constant recording of Bill Clinton is played over the public address system that repeats his words "I did not have sexual relations with that young woman, Ms. Lewinski."

And in the background...play Debbie Boone singing "You light up my life", on a continuous reel.

`....Dear lord your Evil.......`

[aboutime]

`....Dear lord your Evil.......`

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