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    Just thinking aloud -

    If I post a short story of a portion of one, what happens if somebody takes my idea/story and uses it? Anyone worried about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Just thinking aloud -

    If I post a short story of a portion of one, what happens if somebody takes my idea/story and uses it? Anyone worried about that?
    The poetry site I am a paid member of copyrights every poem I post there. Its in the membership fee contractually. I do however often post poems here first but then shortly afterward post at that site getting the copyright in effect.
    However , if concerned a member can always edit to time stamp the post as added insurance. Or apply for copyright..
    My friend that just authored a new book has agreed to allow his Rosalia series to be presented in the Creative Writing form.
    We are now discussing how it may be presented and when he can get time to do so after he joins this forum!

    Many of my poems are even from long ago and time stamped at that old forum.

    Good thinking , as one never knows and someday such could have far greater value than we place on it ourselves in the here and now.. -Tyr
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    Copyrights wont stop anything that isnt caught.
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    Copyscape is great for checking to see if someone robbed you. Their premium software you setup on your site I believe and it monitors live time. At least a head start into who is stealing your content.

    http://copyscape.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Or apply for copyright.
    I don't think the act of copyrighting adds much to your protection.

    In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.[12]However, while registration isn't needed to exercise copyright, in jurisdictions where the laws provide for registration, it serves as prima facie evidence of a valid copyright and enables the copyright holder to seek statutory damages and attorney's fees. (In the USA, registering after an infringement only enables one to receive actual damages and lost profits.)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrig...cing_copyright

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Copyrights wont stop anything that isnt caught.
    I believe that's true for any intellectual property. Courts will enforce the IP but nobody is protecting you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I don't think the act of copyrighting adds much to your protection.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrig...cing_copyright



    I believe that's true for any intellectual property. Courts will enforce the IP but nobody is protecting you.
    True about catching them. It wouldn't be the first time some movie was a big hit then got sued by someone claiming the idea was stolen from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Just thinking aloud -

    If I post a short story of a portion of one, what happens if somebody takes my idea/story and uses it? Anyone worried about that?
    If you post your name start worrying. Privacy is a thing of the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max R. View Post
    True about catching them. It wouldn't be the first time some movie was a big hit then got sued by someone claiming the idea was stolen from them.
    Copyright law recognizes the right of an author based on whether the work actually is an original creation, rather than based on whether it is unique; two authors may own copyright on two substantially identical works, if it is determined that the duplication was coincidental, and neither was copied from the other.
    Yup, and I think proving that is pretty tough based on my imperfect recollected hearsay of such suits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Yup, and I think proving that is pretty tough based on my imperfect recollected hearsay of such suits.
    Hence the importance of creating a paper trail such as a copyright.

    I had a work acquaintance who aspired to get rich with a Hollywood script for an action movie. He pestered everyone to read his script but wanted them to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Most post told him to f**k off, me included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max R. View Post
    Hence the importance of creating a paper trail such as a copyright.

    I had a work acquaintance who aspired to get rich with a Hollywood script for an action movie. He pestered everyone to read his script but wanted them to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Most post told him to f**k off, me included.
    Writing your magnus opus? Sure. Musings on the internet? Not worth the time or money IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Writing your magnus opus? Sure. Musings on the internet? Not worth the time or money IMO.
    Agreed. If I posted a poem or short story, it would be difficult to prove I wrote it 10 years down the road unless I somehow documented per copyright first.

    This news story is related to the issue: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...pern/27347047/
    SAN FRANCISCO—A yogi and filmmaker who has previously sued two other technology firms on Thursday filed suit against Uber, claiming its founders and investors stole the idea and design of the service from him.
    Kevin Halpern's suit was filed in San Francisco Superior Court.
    In it, he says Uber CEO <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Travis Kalanick" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(250, 102, 0) !important;">Travis Kalanick</culink> stole the idea for a real-time, cellular phone-based car service from his startup, Celluride Wireless, which Halpern founded in 2003.
    According to the suit, Halpern discussed his ideas with Kalanick and Uber co-founder<culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Garrett Camp" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(250, 102, 0) !important;">Garrett Camp</culink> beginning in 2006. Two years later Kalanick and Camp presented the ideas at a venture capital conference and Uber launched several months later.
    All of Halpern's agreements with the founders of Uber were "oral agreements" and there were no written non-disclosure agreements or other paperwork, his lawyer, Christopher Dolan said.
    Instead Halpern has what Dolan termed "a poor man's copyright" -- a sealed envelop he mailed himself in 2005 which included information about his idea. That envelope is still sealed and now resides in his safe, Dolan said.


    The suit says Halpern is entitled to "a significant share of Uber's value." In addition to Kalanick and Camp, venture capitalists <culink class="culinks" culang="en" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Bill Gurley" title="" style="border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dashed; cursor: help; display: inline !important; float: none !important; padding: 0px !important; margin: 0px !important; border-bottom-color: rgb(250, 102, 0) !important;">Bill Gurley</culink> and Bill Trenchard, and investor Scott Belsky are also named in the suit.
    The popular ride-hailing company has raised $5.9 billion in investment. By somereports it has entered into a new funding round that would send its valuation to $50 billion.
    "These claims are completely baseless. We will vigorously defend against them," Uber spokeswoman Kristin Carvel said in a statement.
    Dolan held a news conference on Thursday to announce the suit. Halpern did not attend, but instead posted a on YouTube about his case, entitled "Grand Theft Uber."
    The full is also available on YouTube.
    Halpern has a history of filing lawsuits. One was against entrepreneur Anu Shukla, founder of a startup called OfferPal Media, in 2009 which claimed the two had an agreement to create a product together that she reneged on. The suit was dismissed.
    He also sued the city of Santa Cruz, Calif. for unlawful arrest after he was arrested for being under the influence of an illegal stimulant, the San Francisco <i>Chronicle</i> reported. That suit also was dismissed.
    According to the <i>San Francisco Business Times,</i> Halpern received a $250,000 settlement from a defendant in another case in which he claimed he was cheated out of his share of a tech company he helped start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max R. View Post
    Agreed. If I posted a poem or short story, it would be difficult to prove I wrote it 10 years down the road unless I somehow documented per copyright first.
    He doesn't seem to have a very good track record. I don't think business plans can be copyrighted but that probably wasn't your point.
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    THERE IS NO PRIVACY on the Internet. Everyone should know by now. Whatever you say, photo's, documents, opinions, statements, poems, idea's, and any form of personal information that is placed on the Internet.

    NEVER EVER GOES AWAY. NEVER!

    You may believe you are secure in all that you do here. That's what the experts want you to believe.

    But...IT JUST AIN'T SO.

    If it was typed onto a screen from a keyboard, downloaded, uploaded, or saved anywhere on a PC or APPLE.
    IT IS THERE FOREVER! Period.


    BY THE WAY. China has been stealing U.S. Govt. information for years.
    Does anyone really think they can't steal from common American citizens like us?
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    Poems I wrote stolen to be used by others.
    Just found these tonight..--Tyr



    The poem is about two people that don't get to meet because they are self-conscious.
    ^^^^ *The thief lies ..-Tyr



    Lies and Sad Eyes
    Your huge eyes appear bright, blue and so sad
    why after all the those rich men you have had
    There was that guy that owned a jewelry store
    he gave you so much yet you stole so much more

    There was the dude that owned nine car lots
    he figured you out after I showed your spots
    Other cat's parents left him massive wealth
    you took all he had and ruined his health

    Your big eyes now appear swollen and so very red
    Told you I'd endure and torment your silly head
    Now you cry and moan for riches you think your due
    Life is about family and love yet you haven't a clue

    I gave my all and everything hence you never learned to love
    Karma bites you while rewarding blessings for me ever since from above
    by robert lindley



    reflection
    I thought the slam poem was really funny and good.
    Performance
    I think that I could have made the presentation more colorful but I think I did good. Its important to do tasks in drama because that is what drama is.
    ^^^ Here he makes stupid remarks again. -Tyr

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    Another stolen poem used without my permission. -Tyr



    Slide 6
    #5. Shining Fruits From A Solid Tree (by Robert J. Lindley)
    As I rest on this high mountaintop
    blessings come, they never stop
    All my family are blessings to me
    shining fruits from a solid tree
    The clouds parting early each dawn
    sunshine on flowers on the lawn
    Looking closer I am content to see
    smooth waves upon my family sea

    ^^^^ Here the thief stopped without posting the remaining part of the poem..
    Maybe he thought its ok to only steal part of the poem.-Tyr

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    I found other links a week ago, two of my poems used to advertise. Both stolen property. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    Just thinking aloud -

    If I post a short story of a portion of one, what happens if somebody takes my idea/story and uses it? Anyone worried about that?
    May be it's easier not to post it before publishing? Then you won't have a headache.
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