Hellow from Russia

[Polite Russian]

Hellow everybody. I dont know, where can I post that theme, so, if it shoud be somwhere else (not in "USA Political Discussion), may be Admin can move it to another section?


Well. I looked at some videos, and undrestood, that you, guys, dont know anything about Russia, situation here and so on. So, if you are interested about your "potential enemy", you can ask me here. I will try to answer you obоjectively. Ask about anything, you want to know.

And sorry for bad English of cource

[jimnyc]

Hey, welcome to DP!

And go here when you get a chance.... http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...-Introductions

My first question:

What's your thoughts on Vlad Putin? Of course he is often demonized over here, just as I assume some US leaders are done over there. But would like to hear someone's opinion that is living in Russia!

[John V]

Me too. I rate Putin highly, but that’s only from the little I know of him; strong, a conservative and he gave the EU the boot out of the Ukraine. I’m sure there’s more to it than that. Welcome ‘Polite Russian’. Oh by the way, where in Russia are you?

[Perianne]

Welcome!

[Noir]

Welcome!
Gave the Norwegians a good run for their money last night, was somewhat hoping we could have Eurovision in Russia for next year, given it would be the campest in a generation.

[John V]

I visited Leningrad, as it was called then, a long time ago, also stayed in the Baltic States for a while. I'm now n Mongolia, so this forum has some pretty diverse people on it.

[Drummond]

Welcome!
Gave the Norwegians a good run for their money last night, was somewhat hoping we could have Eurovision in Russia for next year, given it would be the campest in a generation.

As it was, though, we achieved our usual pitiful voting tally, Noir. Not so for Russia.

It was a closely-run finish, though. And your Russian entry (at least by Eurovision standards !) was of a high quality (and the lead singer was stunning !)

But I have a question for our new Russian member, and I'd be interested in your answer.

Voting in these song contests tends to follow political associations or allegiances (turning the whole thing into a bit of a farce). For example, Greece and Cyprus habitually give high votes to each others' countries. Ditto the Nordic countries ... Norway would heavily vote for Sweden, Sweden would reciprocate, Finland would vote for Iceland, etc etc.

But notably, that same pattern amongst the former Soviet States towards favouring Russia (Latvia, Estonia, etc) wasn't as pronounced as usual, and our British commentator, Graham Norton, made a point of noting it. I ask ... in your opinion, what might account for that ?

I'm sorry to say that I have a theory you might not like.

Forgive me .. but I must be honest. I agree with the school of thought that Putin is an egotist, possibly power-drunk. His land-grab ('annexation') of Crimea following a widely-understood ILLEGAL vote, has been followed by military interference in eastern Ukraine (for which Putin refuses to admit culpability). Could it be that your former satellite-countries were expressing displeasure at Russian-fueled insurrectionist activities in Ukraine, by withholding their votes this time around ?

We fundamentally disagree on Putin, I'm afraid. I fear we're heading towards another Cold War because of his antics. The man's a world class menace.

By the way ... welcome to the forum ! I look forward to your future posts.

Sorry if I speak "strange", or with mistakes. Its unusual to me to speak on english so much. :3
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BTW, if you want to communicate, you can add me in skype.

No worries - your posts convey their intended messages clearly. You're doing well with them.

Ok. About american influence. Lets start with winter 2013. Maidan. Do you think, that was there just to support people? I dont think so. All that global shit started on the Maidan. I dont think, that American politics (Nuland, for example) was there "just" to show support to "Ukraine" people. Your soldiers train Ukrain army. Your politics often come to Kiev for "consulting". And on some videos "Ukraine" soldiers speak English.


And about situation. Ukraine is not a "natural" country. Its 20 years old. It always was in Russa (Russian Empire, than USSR). And than they get independence. But Ukraine was always "sepatated" to parts. Western and Eastern. Western was a former Poland catholic territory, and eastern - always was Russian, orthdox. So in western Ukrain people talk on Ukrain language, in eastern - on Russian. But this is not only about language. Its about culture, ideals. So western Ukrainians was allways "against" Russia, while eastern supported. Eastern Ukrainians (most of them) call themself russians. That conflict is not only geopolitical.

About our part. Well. A already told you about Crimea. About our military - I dont think, that our regular troops are there. But our volunteers - yes. A lot of them. I have a fellow, that left there. And he is not a military. He even did not served in army. But he saw, whats going on. Artillery, that destroy childrengardens, schools. Tragedy in Odessa. And stories of refugees, that have been there. Damn, even I want to go there, and fight for people of Donbass. If you want to, i can post here some links. I'm sure, that your mass media dont show you whats going on in Donezk and Lugansk.

Government of Ukraine... bunch of thiefs. They say, that they "fighting against Russian agression", but they ask russia about discounts on gas! If we are in war... And their prime minister.. just begging EU and USA for money, and than dont want to pay their debts.

And of cource their "nazi" batalions. Do you know, who is Stepan Bandera? Well, western Ukrainians believe he is a hero. Open the Wikipedia and read about that "Hero".
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You know, I dont wach TV and trying to look at situation from both sides. There are a lot of propaganda in Russia (well, i think that in USA too ), but I know people, who are there right now, and who was there, who have seen the truth. And I belive, that we need to support Donezk and Lugansk republics.
And about russian involvement.. Well. Russian history starts in Kiev. Generally we are the same people, the same folk. A LOT OF Russian people have relatives in Ukraine.
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Oh, I hope that there are not many mistakes in the text..

Sorry, I only belatedly caught up with this post.

You say that Ukraine is not a 'natural' country. Well ... isn't that subject to perception, rather than the right of a country to call itself one, and to behave as one ?

There are a number of countries that by old Russian standards might not be thought of as having a right to independent identity. But then, those old Russian standards had a great deal to do with the maintenance of a Soviet Empire. Today's independent nations (Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia etc) want independent identity and I see no reason to begrudge any of them that identity. I say that the same is, and should be, true of Ukraine.

Our own media (that's British media, anyway) considers that, however loosely associated with Russia they may be, those rebel forces in the east of Ukraine ARE there, being led on, by Russia. We have reports of both Russian troops and Russian armaments in that region. And it is for this reason that Putin is being increasingly seen as a threat to world peace.

I'm posting a link to a British newspaper ... and I've deliberately chosen a Left wing one for the purpose. See this ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ignore-5288098

In case censorship software prevents you from accessing it, this is a direct quote:-

The “menace” of Vladimir Putin will be impossible to confront if defence spending is cut, two former ministers have warned.

Labour’s Bob Ainsworth and Tory MP Sir Peter Luff have told the Mirror that Europe’s borders face a “real military threat” from war-mongering Russia.

Mr Ainsworth, a former Defence Secretary, and Sir Peter, a defence minister under David Cameron, insist defence spending should stay at 2% of GDP and say the danger is not confined to Russia, with the Argentines looking for buy fighter aircraft that could pose a risk to the Falkands.

In a joint warning to be published exclusively in Saturday's Daily Mirror, they say:

"Vladimir Putin’s aggression has put defence on the election agenda. Or it should have. Worryingly, all the major parties seem reluctant to take the hint.

"For the first time since the end of the Cold War, Europe faces a real military threat on its borders.

"Until Putin rattled his sabre, the direct threat to the UK was mainly from terrorists. His invasions of Crimea and eastern Ukraine have changed all that.

"Now we face a Russian leader who sees no real limit to his ambition. Look at his provocative flights of nuclear bombers off the coast of England.

"Putin leads the first major power since the Second World War to invade another state to gain territory. He claims to be the protector of all the Russian minorities in Central Europe.

"That means we must expect direct or, more likely, indirect attacks on Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. This, after all, is a man whose greatest regret is the end of the Soviet Union.

This gives you a taste of how these things are seen in my part of the world. Putin is seen as a serious and increasing threat to world peace.

By the way, this might also be news to Americans ... but we've had a spate of Russian aircraft flying very close to British territory recently, this reminiscent of what the USSR used to do during the Cold War years. These are seen as belligerent acts.

I'd welcome your views. And tell us, is this perception of how we see things at all understood by the ordinary Russian citizen ?

[Polite Russian]

Hey, welcome to DP!

And go here when you get a chance.... http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...-Introductions

My first question:

What's your thoughts on Vlad Putin? Of course he is often demonized over here, just as I assume some US leaders are done over there. But would like to hear someone's opinion that is living in Russia!

Thanks

I think that Vladimir Putin is good president. He raised our economics, rebuild our army.. But he is not perfect (my personal opinion). I really dont like his interior politics, he's position about nationalism, islam and a lot of other moments. But at that time, he is the only one person, who can rule our country. I think, that Russia need "strong hand", and Putin is that hand. In that case there a lot of his enemies here. Practically all of them are liberals and their leaders like to go in to your embassy for "consultations".

He is not perfect, but he is the only one, who can rule Russia.

Me too. I rate Putin highly, but that’s only from the little I know of him; strong, a conservative and he gave the EU the boot out of the Ukraine. I’m sure there’s more to it than that. Welcome ‘Polite Russian’. Oh by the way, where in Russia are you?

I live in Saint-Petersburg.

[LongTermGuy]

Thanks

I think that Vladimir Putin is good president. He raised our economics, rebuild our army.. But he is not perfect (my personal opinion). I really dont like his interior politics, he's position about nationalism, islam and a lot of other moments. But at that time, he is the only one person, who can rule our country. I think, that Russia need "strong hand", and Putin is that hand. In that case there a lot of his enemies here. Practically all of them are liberals and their leaders like to go in to your embassy for "consultations".

He is not perfect, but he is the only one, who can rule Russia.







I live in Saint-Petersburg.

*Love the avatar...You type well and your English is very good....

[Polite Russian]

*Love the avatar...You type well and your English is very good....

Thanks.
Photo - autumn 2014, on the shooting range

[LongTermGuy]

Thanks.
Photo - autumn 2014, on the shooting range

*Very Good Comrade.....we will be watching

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks

I think that Vladimir Putin is good president. He raised our economics, rebuild our army.. But he is not perfect (my personal opinion). I really dont like his interior politics, he's position about nationalism, islam and a lot of other moments. But at that time, he is the only one person, who can rule our country. I think, that Russia need "strong hand", and Putin is that hand. In that case there a lot of his enemies here. Practically all of them are liberals and their leaders like to go in to your embassy for "consultations".

He is not perfect, but he is the only one, who can rule Russia.







I live in Saint-Petersburg.

I really dont like his interior politics, he's position about nationalism, islam and a lot of other moments.

Exactly what do you object to about his handling of the problem that Islam presents to Russia?
Is it that it is too hard or too soft?--Tyr

[Polite Russian]

Exactly what do you object to about his handling of the problem that Islam presents to Russia?
Is it that it is too hard or too soft?--Tyr

He think, that Islam is not a problem.. Well, it looks like he think that way. So I think that answer is TOO soft.
But I could be wrong about that.

[LongTermGuy]

He think, that Islam is not a problem.. Well, it looks like he think that way. So I think that answer is TOO soft.
But I could be wrong about that.

`Understood friend..... Deep inside I dont feel he cares about the cancer of islam....he has his reasons for his present actions...read between the lines...

*ahhh just picked up on `your` accent above....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

He think, that Islam is not a problem.. Well, it looks like he think that way. So I think that answer is TOO soft.
But I could be wrong about that.

I am not sure that he thinks its too soft or not a problem. Isuspect great pressure from outside Russia(Global banking system) has applied great pressure to soften his response the to muslim problem..
I had expected and even hoped for him to take a much, much harder approach just as I did for China but neither one went that path.
Surely must be due to outside pressure as neither is averse to killing by volume to solve such problems..
Too bad that the one time that type of response would be best they refuse to engage in it IMHO.
For me, only reason for the soft approach has to be outside influence--only entity powerful enough to exert that is the Globalists and World Banking(Same entities)... Globalists and Islamists are allies--as of now) because they both share important common goals... --Tyr