Hellow from Russia

[Balu]

What is this of which you speak?

Russian titanium for Boeing, rocket engines for NASA, capacious and solvent Russian market for Mercedes, BMW etc.

[fj1200]

Russian titanium for Boeing, rocket engines for NASA, capacious and solvent Russian market for Mercedes, BMW etc.

I don't think the sanctions cover those items... yet.

There are growing concerns that Western jobs are now at real risk if sanctions continue or are increased. Companies like Boeing, which uses Russian titanium, or General Electric, which leases aircraft to Russian airlines, may see profits dented by sanctions.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101518255

With the U.S. ratcheting up Russian sanctions in response to Vladimir Putin's unrepentant assault on Ukraine, word comes that U.S. manufacturers Boeing and United Technologies are building up aerospace-grade titanium stocks from their key supplier in Russia. Given that Russia's VSMPO-Avisma is, as the Wall Street Journal reports, a subsidiary of Rostec, the government-owned defense conglomerate whose CEO Sergei Chemezov (in the 1980s, he and former KGB officer Vladimir Putin lived in the same apartment building in East Germany) is on the U.S. sanctions list -- stocking up on titanium parts isn't a bad idea.

http://www.realclearworld.com/articl..._titanium.html

Not really strange.

[Gunny]

First - I am not intended to convince in anything.
As to Sudets. There is a smal difference. 2 million rebels run from the Civil war NOT to other parties of Ukraine, but to Russia, the country you use to call "aggressor"
Doesn't it seem strange, that there are diplomatic relations, air and railway regular communication, foreign trade relations between our counties and Ukrainians keep on claiming for discounts for gas. That they remain a member of CIS and continue to enjoy all the benefits of their membership. That they announced the fifth mobilizations and didn't implement a martial law.
You are a former serviceman, so you are able to imaging what could have happened should Russia start fighting against Ukraine. (In 2008 Georgians had an experience how to fight against Russian Army defending our peace-keepers. )
You mast have heard that Russia has Air Forces, armed forces, tactical and cruising missiles, airborne troops and can imaging what they are able to do supplied by space reconnaissance data.
You must also have the idea about tactics, having an examples of USA Army in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq.
So, what are you speaking about?

Then why are you here? If not to convince others of your beliefs? That IS the point to message boards.

Russia is the aggressor. They're arming the pro-Russian side to oust the anti-Russian side. It's not that hard to figure out. They're called proxy wars. The US arms S Vietnam and Russia and China arm N Vietnam. Putin arms pro-Russian Ukranians and Obama arms anti-Russian Ukranians. So yeah, I understand strategy and tactics REAL well.

Russia itself, as a nation, is not going to launch a war of aggression against the Ukraine for fear of international reprisal. Are you sure you got all that military stuff left? Seems to me your government's making a lot of money selling a lot of high tech weaponry to Third World , irresponsible clowns.

But you're defending, and trying to sell something to the WRONG political side here. We had NO business in Yugoslavia -- which was a UN force, not US -- and I could care less about the Ukraine. And in BOTH cases, a Democratic President has involved us in someone else's wars. Presidents Clinton and Obama. Take a hard look around this message board and see how many people you find that supported either of them.

[Polite Russian]

Let me put this in perspective for you ....

I made a comment about Obama and you went on a tear defending Putin which had NOTHING to do with what I posted. I could be wrong, but I really think no one on this board cares about Putin, nor the Ukraine. Your first mistake might be assuming all Americans think alike when we're as divided in this country as the Middle East is.

Obama should have kept his nose out. None of our business. Then he lets Putin embarrass him.

Oh, and I know plenty about Russian propaganda. We used to have to read that crap during the Cold War. You guys got some vivid imaginations.

Goddamn! Screw the Cold War! I did not even existed when it ends.
I'm trying to start a normal dialog with you here. Or normal dialog is russian propaganda too?

[Gunny]

Goddamn! Screw the Cold War! I did not even existed when it ends.
I'm trying to start a normal dialog with you here. Or normal dialog is russian propaganda too?

I WAS alive during the height of the Cold War. There is no "screw the Cold War" because it is DIRECTLY affecting what is happening now. President Reagan outspent the USSR on military weapons technology, weaponry and manpower until the Soviet economy could not sustain itself.

As a result, all of these little Russian satellite countries and provinces started announcing their independence and the Soviet Union fell apart. Unfortunately, along with losing the satellite countries Stalin had occupied during WWII, Russia had to deal with traditional Russian provinces like the Ukraine and Georgia demanding independence too and Russia let them go.

All of THAT is a direct result of the Cold War.

[Balu]

Russia is the aggressor. They're arming the pro-Russian side to oust the anti-Russian side. It's not that hard to figure out.

Do you know the meaning of the term "aggression"? - I don't think so.
Russia is thick and tired asking to provide data of supplying armament to Donetsk and Lugansk - no result. You must know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to move tanks, artillery and other military items without being caught by space reconnaissance. You are not a hose-keeper, but a former serviceman and you know this.
I am here to answer the questions from the points I see it.
And don't overestimate my modest abilities to compete with your propaganda machine. Be realistic.

[Polite Russian]

I WAS alive during the height of the Cold War. There is no "screw the Cold War" because it is DIRECTLY affecting what is happening now. President Reagan outspent the USSR on military weapons technology, weaponry and manpower until the Soviet economy could not sustain itself.

As a result, all of these little Russian satellite countries and provinces started announcing their independence and the Soviet Union fell apart. Unfortunately, along with losing the satellite countries Stalin had occupied during WWII, Russia had to deal with traditional Russian provinces like the Ukraine and Georgia demanding independence too and Russia let them go.

All of THAT is a direct result of the Cold War.

So because of cold war you have something against me, because I support my president, who save my country, raise economic, army and so on? Why cant you talk like normal person. I did nothing bad to you. Dont be so agressive pls. We are trying to have a good conversation here. If you dont want to know position of REAL russian people - dont read and dont go on this tread. Whats your problem, bro?

[Gunny]

So because of cold war you have something against me, because I support my president, who save my country, raise economic, army and so on? Why cant you talk like normal person. I did nothing bad to you. Dont be so agressive pls. We are trying to have a good conversation here. If you dont want to know position of REAL russian people - dont read and dont go on this tread. Whats your problem, bro?

You're reading between the lines. I have nothing against you. Don't start playing victim. How you read that I don't like you out of my statement about the Cold War beats me.

I'm a United States Marine. Aggression is the name of my game. If YOU don't like it, then YOU don't have to get on the thread. Meaning, you don't tell people where and what to post here.

I'm not picking on you because you're Russian. Rather, because you have yet to address anything that's posted to you. You pick out a word or phrase from an entire post and go off onto an entirely different subject. And when all else fails, a post like THIS one ... playing victim.

[Polite Russian]

You're reading between the lines. I have nothing against you. Don't start playing victim. How you read that I don't like you out of my statement about the Cold War beats me.

I'm a United States Marine. Aggression is the name of my game. If YOU don't like it, then YOU don't have to get on the thread. Meaning, you don't tell people where and what to post here.

I'm not picking on you because you're Russian. Rather, because you have yet to address anything that's posted to you. You pick out a word or phrase from an entire post and go off onto an entirely different subject. And when all else fails, a post like THIS one ... playing victim.

"Aggression is the name of my game."
Ooookaaaaaaaaay. Sooooooooooooo pathos and brutal.
Ok, think whatever you want, mr. Marine.

[Gunny]

So because of cold war you have something against me, because I support my president, who save my country, raise economic, army and so on? Why cant you talk like normal person. I did nothing bad to you. Dont be so agressive pls. We are trying to have a good conversation here. If you dont want to know position of REAL russian people - dont read and dont go on this tread. Whats your problem, bro?

What you are failing to see because you're so busy trying to pint me as a bad guy is the reality of my argument:

At the end of the Cold War, when the USSR was weak militarily and economically, they let these countries go. To include several traditional Russian provinces. The World was quick to recognize their independence as sovereign nations. Once they are recognized on the world stage as sovereign nations, Russia can't just go take them back.

That is simple geo-political math and has nothing to do with you personally.

[Gunny]

"Aggression is the name of my game."
Ooookaaaaaaaaay. Sooooooooooooo pathos and brutal.
Ok, think whatever you want, mr. Marine.

I do. I can address a topic without taking everything personally. I can address a topic with logic and fact; which, I have done.

Here's the thing .... you come to this board and expect everyone to just accept what you say because you say it. You have yet to address a topic and seem to want to make everything personal.

Now if you think THIS is being aggressive with you, you might want to talk to a few other members about me and being aggressive. This is fucking nice. Don't push it.

Now, why don't you try addressing my comments in regard to Russia and the situation you are in, instead of spending all your time looking to be offended and ignoring the topic?

[Balu]

I'm a United States Marine. Aggression is the name of my game. If YOU don't like it, then YOU don't have to get on the thread. Meaning, you don't tell people where and what to post here.

It sounds very strange, bearing in mind that HE opened this thread. Doesn't it?

[Gunny]

It sounds very strange, bearing in mind that HE opened this thread. Doesn't it?

Yes, he did. And once posted on the board, it is the intellectual property of the board, not his, and any member is allowed to respond. None of my responses have been inappropriate. I'm responding to his posts and he's becoming personally offended by cherry-picking words and missing the entire point of my posts. He has YET to actually respond to points I have made.

Posting on a political message board is not a one-way street. You don't get to just say what you want and that's the end of it. You open up a conversation and people are going to voice their opinions.

The fact is, Polite Russian doesn't know what he's talking about. He knows what he believes NOW. He doesn't know why, nor the history that led to this point. If I know more about Russian history than a Russian, I'd say he's out of his depth.

[darin]

Have not visited St petersburg - but in moscow i saw a shockingly-high concentration of beautiful women unlike tokyo, seoul, NYC, berlin or even Paris.

[Balu]

Really reported conversation between the Spaniards and the Americans at a frequency of "extreme situations in the sea" navigation channel 106 in the Strait Finisterra (Galicia). October 16, 1997

Spanish: (interference in the background) ... says the A-853, please turn 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision with us. You move directly to us, distance 25 nautical miles.

Americans: (noise in the background) ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision with us.

Spanish: The answer is no. We repeat, turn 15 degrees to the south of
to avoid collision.

The Americans (another voice): With you is the captain of the ship of the United States. Turn 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision.

Spanish: We do not consider your suggestion neither feasible nor appropriate, we advise you to turn 15 degrees to the south to avoid crashing into us.

The Americans (in a raised voice) to talk to you CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD, COMMANDER aircraft carrier USS LINCOLN, NAVY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE SECOND TO GREATNESS US Navy warships. We were accompanied by two cruisers, six fighters, 4 SUBMARINES, and numerous support ships. I'm not a "Council", I "I ORDER" CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 degrees to the north. OTHERWISE we will have to take the necessary measures for the security of our ship. PLEASE Immediately remove With our course !!!!

Spanish :: Are you Juan Manuel Salas says Alcantara. We were 2 people. We are escorted by our dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary that's asleep. We are supported by the radio station "Cadena Dial de La Coruna" and channel 106 "Extreme situations at sea." We're not going anywhere collapse, given that we are on the land and is a beacon of A-853 Strait Finisterra Galician coast of Spain. We do not have a clue what place we occupy the largest among Spanish lighthouses. You can take all fucked ... nye measures as you deem necessary and do anything to ensure the safety of your ship eb..go that shatter on the rocks. So once again strongly recommend that you
make the most sensible thing to change your course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.

Americans: Ok, accepted, thank you.