"Sicko" What a show!!!!!!

[nevadamedic]

Not a single point in your last post evr says anything that Moore said was a "lie"
Many of these "points" were CNN admitting their own errors, or showing soem negligible, which they admit many times, conflicts in research regarding sources and puny statistic percentage points.

Nothing here shows anything about any "lies" in Sicko.

Did you even read the article before cut and pasting it, or did you just cull it off some idiot's republifascist blog without even skimming it to see if it would support your flimsy argument or not.

There's that reading comprehension thing again, rammin ya in the ass....

What's with you and ramming things in the ass, must be the gay tendences you have.

[Spyder Jerusalem]

Did you have anything meaningful to offer in rebuttal, or are you just fantasizing?

[Angel Heart]

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Moore is not objective in his views at all.

[Angel Heart]

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Nothing but small data error...

[nevadamedic]

Did you have anything meaningful to offer in rebuttal, or are you just fantasizing?

You first little lady.

[Angel Heart]

Both systems have issues. Ours isn't as bad as Moore made it out to be. The government controlled one has many issued too. How about waiting lists for things we don't have to wait for here? How about the cost of it all? It's not free. The taxes to cover that type of care is astronomical. On top of that, doesn't create an environment for creating better treatments. You take the profit out of the medical field, you kill innovations.

[Spyder Jerusalem]

I don't give a SHIT about Michael Moore, or his "position" or wheteher he got a few numbers wrong.

The broad picture is whats really at issue and is what bears discussing.

This nitpicky bullshit is what shows that you really don't have any concept of whats really at stake or how much it means to America and its people.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE cannot get, or afford, adequate healthcare, even thought they are insured.
HMOs profit by DENYING necessary medical services and benefits, and do so at the expense of those for whom healthcare should be non-negotiable.

Nobody should ever be refused healthcare, and certainly not on the basis of cost and profit.

[avatar4321]

So what?

Everybody lies.
Everybody.

Yer guys, their guys, what the fuck ever.

But, say, as youve already pointed out, you know what the lies are.

Now how about addressing the idea?
The ideas addressed in the film.

Or don't you think it matters that such a huge number of Americans have shitty healthcare thanks to greedy HMOs?
Do you agree or disagree that there should never ever fuckin' EVER be a profit motive in public health?
Why can't America's healthcare system be run like the ones in just about every industrialized country in the world, whose citizens almost never worry about the cost of, or the quality of their healthcare?
Should preventative medicine be the primary goal of American medicine, as it is every fuckin where else, rather than emergency, triage, or "Hobson'r Choice" style as it is now?

If you actually cared about the problem, you'd drop this sycophantic party dogma bullshit and address it, rather than yer frantic, and juvenile, attempts to shoot the messenger.

No. We don't. You've just lost all your credibility. You say you lie. So why should we listen to a damn thing you say?

[nevadamedic]

No. We don't. You've just lost all your credibility. You say you lie. So why should we listen to a damn thing you say?

He lost all the credibility after the first post he made.

[Psychoblues]

I'm stll waiting on all those lies that MM supposedly told in his documentary piece "Sicko". Although he has been accused by the unquailified as telling lies, NOT ONE thing he said has been proven untrue.

[nevadamedic]

I'm stll waiting on all those lies that MM supposedly told in his documentary piece "Sicko". Although he has been accused by the unquailified as telling lies, NOT ONE thing he said has been proven untrue.

Look at those video's Angel posted.

[Psychoblues]

Killer, aren't they?

Look at those video's Angel posted.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been proven repeatedly that he is the LIAR, not Micheal Moore.

Got anything else? I mean anything credible?

[nevadamedic]

Killer, aren't they?





Dr. Sanjay Gupta has been proven repeatedly that he is the LIAR, not Micheal Moore.

Got anything else? I mean anything credible?

Upi got that wrong, Michael Moore has been the one proven repeatedly that he is a liar.

[diuretic]

Both systems have issues. Ours isn't as bad as Moore made it out to be. The government controlled one has many issued too. How about waiting lists for things we don't have to wait for here? How about the cost of it all? It's not free. The taxes to cover that type of care is astronomical. On top of that, doesn't create an environment for creating better treatments. You take the profit out of the medical field, you kill innovations.

While I disagree with your very generalised and unreferenced claims at least you've got an open mind on the issue. Now, to your points.

The taxes aren't astronomical - well they're not for me. And America being the wealthiest nation on Earth should be able to find money for a national healthcare scheme. Look at the military budget. If it were trimmed a bit it would have no effect on your ability to defend and it would make many citizens a lot better off. In Australia we pay the Medicare Levy - 1.5% of taxable income. http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/co...tent/17482.htm


Medical research doesn't have to suffer under a national system - http://www.innovationaustralia.net/a...?article=0,xss -


Opponents of a national scheme or a single-payer scheme, here at least, are relying on blind ideology and the mantra of "pofit is good, private is best" without opening their minds to the possibility that another way is better. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...?doc_id=364436

I'm not arguing for any ideological approach to health care. I favour a hybrid system, a mix of public and private care and schemes but at the very least a scheme that affords everyone decent health care regardless of ability or inability to pay, that's all I ever suggested.

[Psychoblues]

Thanks, doc.

While I disagree with your very generalised and unreferenced claims at least you've got an open mind on the issue. Now, to your points.

The taxes aren't astronomical - well they're not for me. And America being the wealthiest nation on Earth should be able to find money for a national healthcare scheme. Look at the military budget. If it were trimmed a bit it would have no effect on your ability to defend and it would make many citizens a lot better off. In Australia we pay the Medicare Levy - 1.5% of taxable income. http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/co...tent/17482.htm


Medical research doesn't have to suffer under a national system - http://www.innovationaustralia.net/a...?article=0,xss -


Opponents of a national scheme or a single-payer scheme, here at least, are relying on blind ideology and the mantra of "pofit is good, private is best" without opening their minds to the possibility that another way is better. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...?doc_id=364436

I'm not arguing for any ideological approach to health care. I favour a hybrid system, a mix of public and private care and schemes but at the very least a scheme that affords everyone decent health care regardless of ability or inability to pay, that's all I ever suggested.

These jerks are shitting in their pants afraid that their personal America might choose to embrace any ideology that might improve the lives of anyone other than themselves. Not very American in my opionion!!!!!!!!!!!!