Let's Go Rev ... Civil War ... No cut n paste

[Gunny]

I submit that you must have been educated in the post-80's. The US Civil war was fought for power, money and control of Washington DC. Not slavery. The US accused the South of slavery and I will give you just this ... the South took the bait and tried to defend it.

The US Civil War was fought because the North wanted high tariffs to force Americans to buy their goods while the South wanted low tariffs because it made more money overseas than the North was willing to pay. Slavery was an excuse. It has and still exists today. But that isn't the only time the US has used a lame-ass excuse to force itself on others, is it?

The Lusitania?

Pearl Harbor?

Communism and the Domino Theory in Korea and Vietnam?

Committing treason against our King over taxes that come nowhere close to what we feed the bureaucracy today?

Roosevelt's "Big Stick Theory" in the Carribean and Central America?

How about the systemic whiping out of native Americans?

The US wanted the South's goods. Just not us with them. So the US used military force, the only thing they were good for, to just rip them off.

[revelarts]

I submit that you must have been educated in the post-80's. The US Civil war was fought for power, money and control of Washington DC. Not slavery. The US accused the South of slavery and I will give you just this ... the South took the bait and tried to defend it.
The US Civil War was fought because the North wanted high tariffs to force Americans to buy their goods while the South wanted low tariffs because it made more money overseas than the North was willing to pay. Slavery was an excuse. It has and still exists today. But that isn't the only time the US has used a lame-ass excuse to force itself on others, is it?
The Lusitania?
Pearl Harbor?
Communism and the Domino Theory in Korea and Vietnam?
Committing treason against our King over taxes that come nowhere close to what we feed the bureaucracy today?
Roosevelt's "Big Stick Theory" in the Carribean and Central America?
How about the systemic whiping out of native Americans?
The US wanted the South's goods. Just not us with them. So the US used military force, the only thing they were good for, to just rip them off.

you've got my response in the other thread on the civil war.
Without Slavery there would have been no civil war. period.
tariffs effects goods produced by slaves, no slaves, no cheap goods to ship, Tariffs were a side show.

concerning the other items.
"The Lusitania?
Pearl Harbor?
Communism and the Domino Theory in Korea and Vietnam?"
We're probably in more agreement there. i may even go farther than you concerning the "real" reasons for war.
might be called a conspiracy theorist in fact. even though i 'cut and paste' agreed upon facts

"Committing treason against our King over taxes that come nowhere close to what we feed the bureaucracy today?"
Agreed

"Roosevelt's "Big Stick Theory" in the Carribean and Central America?"
Imperialism in an ugly dress, Yes.

"How about the systemic wiping out of native Americans?"
Raw Imperialism and near genocid.... sorry i mean Manifest Destiny.

[Gunny]

you've got my response in the other thread on the civil war.
Without Slavery there would have been no civil war. period.
tariffs effects goods produced by slaves, no slaves, no cheap goods to ship, Tariffs were a side show.

concerning the other items.
"The Lusitania?
Pearl Harbor?
Communism and the Domino Theory in Korea and Vietnam?"
We're probably in more agreement there. i may even go farther than you concerning the "real" reasons for war.
might be called a conspiracy theorist in fact. even though i 'cut and paste' agreed upon facts

"Committing treason against our King over taxes that come nowhere close to what we feed the bureaucracy today?"
Agreed

"Roosevelt's "Big Stick Theory" in the Carribean and Central America?"
Imperialism in an ugly dress, Yes.

"How about the systemic wiping out of native Americans?"
Raw Imperialism and near genocid.... sorry i mean Manifest Destiny.

You are incorrect. Without slavery, the North would have come up with another excuse. Your reply in another thread doesn't count. All you did was cut and paste propaganda.

The North wanted the South's goods, and control of the Government. Period. Slavery was an excuse, not a reason.

The "real" reasons for the US Civil War were power and money, the same reasons ALL of the US's wars were for. But you go right ahead and pick which TWO wars the US fought that were NOT about power and money. And you can start with the wealthy leitists who committed treason against our King over paying taxes ... you know ... those things we pay more now of by percentage than any colonial paid for tea?

[revelarts]

You are incorrect. Without slavery, the North would have come up with another excuse.

"...would have come up with another.." = speculation. That's not history Gunny.
THE historical, what really happened, reason for the war was slavery.
to the south slaves were power and money Gunny. inseparable.
take our Slavery = war

not other imagined excused.

[Gunny]

"...would have come up with another.." = speculation. That's not history Gunny.
THE historical, what really happened, reason for the war was slavery.
to the south slaves were power and money Gunny. inseparable.
take our Slavery = war

not other imagined excused.

No, you're right. It's an obvious fact.

Slavery was dead. It couldn't have worked past East Texas. THAT is a fact.

Nobody fought a war over a bunch of slaves. You mean those same slaves Lincoln was willing to let be slaves in the states that existed if they returned to the Union? Or the Irish and blacks that rioted in NY against conscription because they got treated worse than blacks and didn't give a damn about them?

Pick your poison.

[revelarts]

No, you're right. It's an obvious fact.
Slavery was dead.

It was the source of southern wealth , the southern governors and secession reps all Repeat it again an again. i think they knew better than you Gunny. sorry.

It couldn't have worked past East Texas. THAT is a fact.

the confederate constitution made it clear that they planed to have slavery in EVERY square inch of land the confederacy obtained be it territory or state. Even Sam Huston wrote letters saying that we was in favor of slavery in Texas.

Nobody fought a war over a bunch of slaves.

the U.S. did.

You mean those same slaves Lincoln was willing to let be slaves in the states that existed if they returned to the Union?

Yep those slaves, but the South didn't believe him.
Like if Obama told you and some others here that he wasn't a muslim. or not a communist, or an american citizen.

Or the Irish and blacks that rioted in NY against conscription because they got treated worse than blacks and didn't give a damn about them?
Pick your poison.

Who likes war. You'll alway have some that will fight a draft.
But about 100,000 blacks DID join the Union Army to help free the slaves. And people like Fredrick Douglas recruited for the Union and Harriet Tubman recruited and acted as a SPY for the Union army.

you cherry pick only one side of that issue, look at the bigger picture.
you don't just talk about the anti-war protesters and draft dodgers when you look a Viet-nam war. There were plenty of guys that did go willingly some even volunteered.