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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/greece-s...d-danger-zone/

    ByALAIN SHERTERMONEYWATCHJune 29, 2015, 4:34 AMDesperate measures as Greece stares down default


    Greece's festering debt crisis has put the country on the brink of default on its international loans, and possibly an unprecedented exit from the eurozone.

    Here's a rundown of the latest developments, along with a look at their potential impact on Europe and on the global economy.
    What is happening?

    The Greek government on Sunday announced that the country's banks would stay closed for six business days, while limits were placed on cash withdrawals and on fund transfers overseas. The Athens Stock Market will also remain shut, according to The Associated Press. The closures are an effort to halt the flow of capital out of Greek banks and otherwise contain the kind of banking panic that could cripple Greece's already wounded economy.

    The dramatic move followed Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras's decision the previous day to call for a July 5 national referendum on whether to accept a bailout offer from Greece's creditors that is conditioned on the government making deeper cuts to retirement benefits and imposing other "austerity" measures.

    The gambit appeared to catch the country's international lenders by surprise. The European Central Bank responded by suspending funding for Greece's banks, a move Tsipras decried in a statement on Sunday as an "attempt to blackmail the will of the Greek people and hinder democratic processes, namely holding the referendum."

    Why is this happening now?

    Greece is on the hook for a 1.6 billion euro ($1.76 billion) payment to the International Monetary Fund by the end of Tuesday. If it fails to make good on that debt, the government will likely default on its loans. Greek officials asked for more time to make the payment over the weekend, but eurozone financial ministers refused.

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    What are the dangers over the longer term?

    Less certain is how markets would react if Greece were to ultimately leave the eurozone. Many experts think the biggest danger in Europe is no longer the spread of economic crisis, but rather concerns that a default could spur Greece's exit from the eurozone, or "Grexit." No country has ever abandoned the euro since the currency came into effect in 1999, and there are fears that Greece's departure could set a dangerous precedent and undermine confidence on the union.

    A Grexit also could encourage anti-austerity parties in Italy, Portugal and Spain -- whose economies remain deeply troubled -- to draw a hard line in negotiating their own countries' debt programs.

    "While financial market contagion can be managed with adequate tools, political contagion is another matter," said Michala Marcussen, an economist with Societe Generale, in a note. "This tends to be slow moving, but is also the potentially the more dangerous issue."

    What happens next?

    Greeks are scheduled to vote next Sunday on whether to accept or reject creditors' latest bailout offer. Although agreeing to those terms could stem the immediate financial crisis, it could cause political chaos by prompting Tsipras -- who stands opposed to the bailout -- to call for new elections. Alternatively, Greece's creditors could seek to resume bailout talks in hope of clinching a deal ahead of the referendum.

    In the meantime, analysts say Greece is likely to restrict flows of money leaving the country. Yet while that would keep the country's economy running, such capital controls could also cause damage by, among other things, making it harder for businesses to make and receive payments.

    A key question is whether the ECB will continue to provide emergency funding to Greek banks after Tuesday, when Athens is likely to default on its loans. Shutting the taps could cause Greece's banking sector to seize up and increase the chances of a Grexit.


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    I am curious to see how the financial markets will respond if Greece defaults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    I am curious to see how the financial markets will respond if Greece defaults.
    So are the markets.


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    As I said originally, I don't get economics as I should.

    What I'm understanding is that Greece closed the banks for 6 days. Payment due tomorrow they will likely not meet.

    They may have to drop Euro. Others may follow in getting off Euro, that is the 'contagion?' Which other countries want off euro? I know Britain has considered out of EU, but didn't think the currency had much to do with it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As I said originally, I don't get economics as I should.
    I don't "get" it either. I don't even get it enough to be a reasonable faker. But I have listened to an "expert" on the radio who said it could really shake up worldwide markets if the Euro fails.

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    I don't know anything about Greece, and am horrible with economics. What I do know, is that if all of a sudden the banks and ATM's were closed, we'd all be fucked. What about CC's, anyone know if they still work? Damn, folks gotta eat, and buy certain things to live, and gas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    I don't "get" it either. I don't even get it enough to be a reasonable faker. But I have listened to an "expert" on the radio who said it could really shake up worldwide markets if the Euro fails.
    Oh no doubt on that, what I don't understand is why others would also get off euro? Do the brits want to return to their old standard currency?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As I said originally, I don't get economics as I should.

    What I'm understanding is that Greece closed the banks for 6 days. Payment due tomorrow they will likely not meet.

    They may have to drop Euro. Others may follow in getting off Euro, that is the 'contagion?' Which other countries want off euro? I know Britain has considered out of EU, but didn't think the currency had much to do with it?
    I think that they need to "dollarize" their economy with the Euro as many Latin countries do with the dollar. Keep the Euro to maintain the safety of bank deposits and tell the EU and the IMF that they will be dropping austerity. Austerity is killing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Oh no doubt on that, what I don't understand is why others would also get off euro? Do the brits want to return to their old standard currency?
    The Pound is alive and kicking. If Greece, and other countries, were able to drop the Euro then they could weaken their currency over time to remain competitive. Of course that doesn't really work in actuality and just causes inflation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    The Pound is alive and kicking. If Greece, and other countries, were able to drop the Euro then they could weaken their currency over time to remain competitive. Of course that doesn't really work in actuality and just causes inflation.
    That I knew. I've never understood keeping the pound, while using the Euro.

    So, what is this contagion idea that has so many in an uproar?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    That I knew. I've never understood keeping the pound, while using the Euro.

    So, what is this contagion idea that has so many in an uproar?
    I think keeping the Pound was thumbing their nose to the EU and wanting to keep their nationality. I'm sure drummond has something to add.

    Nevertheless, if Greece leaves with little pain or disruption then it opens the door to Portugal, Ireland, and Spain to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I think keeping the Pound was thumbing their nose to the EU and wanting to keep their nationality. I'm sure drummond has something to add.

    Nevertheless, if Greece leaves with little pain or disruption then it opens the door to Portugal, Ireland, and Spain to do the same.
    Thanks, but why would they want to do so?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Thanks, but why would they want to do so?
    Maybe because it's a made-up currency that the individual countries don't like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    Maybe because it's a made-up currency that the individual countries don't like?
    Any currency fits that description. They have 'worth' only because of agreement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Thanks, but why would they want to do so?
    Leave the Euro? Currency flexibility, and tell Germany to go pound sand.
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