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    Default Obama's Delusion With Iran

    A bit long, but gets at the heart of what one hope's is just 'unintended consequences' that the Iran agreement may mean. I don't know how 'unintended,' but I'm cynical when it comes to this administration:

    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/a...imer-perplexed

    The Iran Delusion: A Primer for the Perplexed Michael J. Totten


    The chattering class has spent months bickering about whether or not the United States should sign on to a nuclear deal with Iran, and everyone from the French and the Israelis to the Saudis has weighed in with “no” votes. Hardly anyone aside from the Saudis, however, seems to recognize that the Iranian government’s ultimate goal is regional hegemony and that its nuclear weapons program is simply a means to that end.

    The Middle East has five hot spots—or “shatter zones,” as Robert D. Kaplan called them in his landmark book, The Revenge of Geography—which are more prone to conflict than others, where borders are either unstable or porous, where central governments have a hard time keeping everything wired together, and where instability is endemic or chronic.

    Gaza, where Hamas wages relentless rocket wars against Israel, is one such shatter zone. The Lebanese-Israeli border, where Hezbollah does the same on a much more terrifying scale, is another. Yemen, which is finally falling apart on an epic scale, has been one for decades. Syria and Iraq have merged into a single multinational shatter zone with more armed factions than anyone but the CIA can keep track of.

    What do these shatter zones have in common? The Iranian government backs militias and terrorist armies in all of them. As Kaplan writes, “The instability Iran will cause will not come from its implosion, but from a strong, internally coherent nation that explodes outward from a natural geographic platform to shatter the region around it.”

    That’s why Iran is a problem for American foreign policy makers in the first place; and that’s why trading sanctions relief for an international weapons inspection regime will have no effect on any of it whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    A bit long, but gets at the heart of what one hope's is just 'unintended consequences' that the Iran agreement may mean. I don't know how 'unintended,' but I'm cynical when it comes to this administration:

    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/a...imer-perplexed
    The obama is under no delusion, what he is doing is deliberate. He wants Iran nuked up, he wants Israel destroyed. EVERYTHING POINTS TO THAT ! -Tyr
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    Default Obama Delusional and Obsessed

    I agree that Obama is delusional, but I think even more so that he is Obsessed - with creating a legacy for himself. He wants his name in the history books as "the President that negotiated with Iran", and he's willing to sellout America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, the Kurds, and anybody else he can sellout, just to get his historical footnote. Of course, that gets back to delusional because he's stupid enough to think that coming to an agreement with Iran will end up being a good thing. If he does get an agreement with Iran, the history books won't end up saying "the President that negotiated with Iran" - they will say "the Chump who caved in to Iran on every single point and destabilized the entire Middle East". (I realize the Middle East is not known for its stability, but after Obama is done, forget about it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    The obama is under no delusion, what he is doing is deliberate. He wants Iran nuked up, he wants Israel destroyed. EVERYTHING POINTS TO THAT ! -Tyr


    ​*Yup...we will find out shortly...on just how "deliberate"



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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTermGuy View Post
    ​*Yup...we will find out shortly...on just how "deliberate"

    Sadly we will....
    If a deal is finally inked we will see he gave away the bank and tossed in the vault too!!!

    SOB is a damn traitor , plain and simple yet gets by with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Sadly we will....
    If a deal is finally inked we will see he gave away the bank and tossed in the vault too!!!

    SOB is a damn traitor , plain and simple yet gets by with it.


    Tomorrow morning we should find out...I understand....then we will see how much more damage we "Americans" will have to contend with...and the low-info will praise ...






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    Idiots that follow the Pied Piper. What was once just a story is now a reality. We got what we deserved when we failed to correct these traitorous people(leftists/libs/dems) by force decades ago. Should have ran them out of town on a rail three decades ago and tarred and feathered them.
    Instead we closed our eyes and thought they'd go away. Evil never just goes away!!!
    Not unless its defeated and that means by use of greater force being applied--example = Nazis etc.
    obama is no different that a Nazi- in fact he is much worse, as he keeps his hidden, at least they operated openly for the most part but not that stinking, lying maggot! -Tyr
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    Kruthammer:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...059_story.html


    Worse than we could have imagined

    When you write a column, as did I two weeks ago, headlined “The worst agreement in U.S. diplomatic history,” you don’t expect to revisit the issue. We had hit bottom. Or so I thought. Then on Tuesday the final terms of theIranian nuclear deal were published. I was wrong.

    Who would have imagined we would be giving up the conventional arms and ballistic missile embargoes on Iran? In nuclear negotiations?

    When asked Wednesday at his news conference why there is nothing in the deal about the American hostages being held by Iran, President Obama explained that this is a separate issue, not part of nuclear talks.

    Are conventional weapons not a separate issue? After all, conventional, by definition, means non-nuclear. Why are we giving up the embargoes?

    Because Iran, joined by Russia — our “reset” partner — sprung the demand at the last minute, calculating that Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry were so desperate for a deal that they would cave. They did. And have convinced themselves that they scored a victory by delaying the lifting by five to eight years. (Ostensibly. The language is murky. The interval could be considerably shorter.)

    ...

    Moreover, the most serious issue is not Iranian exports but Iranian imports — of sophisticated Russian and Chinese weapons. These are untouchable. We are not going to attack Russian and Chinese transports.


    The net effect of this capitulation will be not only to endanger our Middle East allies now under threat from Iran and its proxies, but also to endanger our own naval forces in the Persian Gulf. Imagine how Iran’s acquisition of the most advanced anti-ship missiles would threaten our control over the gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, waterways we have kept open for international commerce for a half-century.
    ...

    The action now shifts to Congress. The debate is being hailed as momentous. It is not. It’s irrelevant.

    Congress won’t get to vote on the deal until September. But Obama is taking the agreement to the U.N. Security Council for approval within days . Approval there will cancel all previous U.N. resolutions outlawing and sanctioning Iran’s nuclear activities.
    Meaning: Whatever Congress ultimately does, it won’t matter because the legal underpinning for the entire international sanctions regime against Iran will have been dismantled at the Security Council. Ten years of painstakingly constructed international sanctions will vanish overnight, irretrievably.
    Even if Congress rejects the agreement, do you think the Europeans, the Chinese or the Russians will reinstate sanctions? The result: The United States is left isolated while the rest of the world does thriving business with Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Great post and article. I hope the naysayers here remember my prediction about how much worse the obama second term would be if/when he got it. I hope some actually do wake up to the solid fact he is a traitor and is a puppet for foreign entity.

    What he just did was insure Iran gets nukes, Israel has to attack Iran and he can and likely will oppose Israel despite America not desiring that.
    I suspect he has now sent Israel direct "orders" that its not to attack Iran. And likely tied our foreign aid money to Israel and other threats along with that folly.
    The bastard simply must be impeached! -Tyr
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    Obama should pay a bit of attention to history, (Kerry too):

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ob...rticle/2568447

    Obama's U.N. plan backfires in Congress



    By SUSAN CRABTREE
    7/16/15 6:54 PM

    President Obama's attempt to outmaneuver Congress and win quick United Nations approval for the Iran nuclear agreement is backfiring on him in Congress, and could further erode support among key players.

    Key senators were already outraged that the administration was taking the lead in negotiating a deal and sidelining Congress' traditional role of being directly involved in haggling the finer points of arms control agreements. They were resigned to let the administration handle the negotiations in return for the promise that they would have ample opportunity to review the deal and vote on it.

    But Kerry this week moved to exert the maximum global leverage on Congress by circulating a legally binding draft of the deal to the United Nations Security Council. A vote at the U.N. is expected early next week to end the international body's sanctions against Iran in return for Tehran curbing its nuclear program.

    He made the move before Congress had received the full documents related to the deal and before the Senate's 60-day review period began. And he even seemed to dare Congress to try to reject the deal, which he said would make the U.S. the non-compliant country.

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    Call it hubris, call it karma, payback seems to always come.

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch15-4.htm

    Wilson Loses His Treaty and League of Nations

    When Wilson returned from the Paris Conference in mid-1919, the Republicans held a slight majority in the Senate. A two-thirds vote in the Senate was needed for ratification of the treaty signed in Paris, and Wilson needed to win to his side a minority of Senators who were inclined to oppose ratification. A few Republican senators wished to deny Wilson any glory he had won during his trip to Paris, and some were still disappointed that he had not included any prominent Republicans in his mission. A few Republican senators feared that ratifying the treaty would forever embroil the United States in Europeans affairs. Sounding like Mussolini, Senator Albert Beveridge of Indiana saw the treaty as raising "the motley flag of internationalism," and he described the treaty as a plan to "denationalize America and denationalize the nation's manhood." A few Senators were opposed to that part of the treaty involving the League of Nations. They spoke of the US losing its sovereignty by joining the League, and they were opposed to the US being drawn into a war in behalf of the League.

    On the opposite side of the treaty issue, only a few senators believed that the treaty was excessively harsh with Germany. One of them was the courageous Senator Robert LaFollette, who was under attack for being pro-German. He described the Versailles Treaty as preparation for a future bloodbath and as a mockery of self-determination.

    In an effort to gain the needed two-thirds vote in the Senate, Wilson turned to the public for support. On September 3, he began traveling across the nation by train, fighting for his grand alliance, the League of Nations. He grew weary, and by the end of the month he was back in the White House, a victim of a stroke. He remained bedridden for the remainder of his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Obama should pay a bit of attention to history, (Kerry too):

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ob...rticle/2568447



    Call it hubris, call it karma, payback seems to always come.

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch15-4.htm
    They have allowed this stinking worm to do this for most of his time in office. So why now pretend to finally see when they've been so cowardly all along? I think its all for show now and he will yet again get his way!
    If so , this action, is very likely to end up being the cause of WW3 IMHO. A sad prediction my friend but one I firmly believe.Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    They have allowed this stinking worm to do this for most of his time in office. So why now pretend to finally see when they've been so cowardly all along? I think its all for show now and he will yet again get his way!
    If so , this action, is very likely to end up being the cause of WW3 IMHO. A sad prediction my friend but one I firmly believe.Tyr
    That certainly seems to be the majority opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    The obama is under no delusion, what he is doing is deliberate. He wants Iran nuked up, he wants Israel destroyed. EVERYTHING POINTS TO THAT ! -Tyr
    I have to disagree. The idiot's completely delusional. He thinks this trainwreck he has created is somehow going to cement his legacy. Well, congrats. O-blah-blah. You just shook Carter out of the worst President EVER spot. William Henry Harrison was better. 90 days in office and most of it in a coma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    The obama is under no delusion, what he is doing is deliberate. He wants Iran nuked up, he wants Israel destroyed. EVERYTHING POINTS TO THAT ! -Tyr
    I no think Obama wants Israel destroyed. He doesn't treat them well but big difference between no having respect and wanting harm come to them. I think Obama want this deal so he can claim he did good thing in foreign policy. He done nothing overseas in presidency and need something significant for legacy. Problem is it will no be looked at as good deal decade from now. We give Iran everything and get nothing in return. Bad deal. I was angry he no even demand American hostages be returned. That would been easy. Iran no going to say no to deal over a few hostages. I think Obama wanted deal so bad he gave Iran everything they want. I would like to see him be tough. We had leverage. Sanctions were hurting Iran bad. If Obama would have stay firm we could have everything we wanted. Instead he showed his hand and let everyone know how much he wanted deal and let Iran bully us in negotiations. No deal would be better than what Obama agreed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat View Post
    I no think Obama wants Israel destroyed. He doesn't treat them well but big difference between no having respect and wanting harm come to them. I think Obama want this deal so he can claim he did good thing in foreign policy. He done nothing overseas in presidency and need something significant for legacy. Problem is it will no be looked at as good deal decade from now. We give Iran everything and get nothing in return. Bad deal. I was angry he no even demand American hostages be returned. That would been easy. Iran no going to say no to deal over a few hostages. I think Obama wanted deal so bad he gave Iran everything they want. I would like to see him be tough. We had leverage. Sanctions were hurting Iran bad. If Obama would have stay firm we could have everything we wanted. Instead he showed his hand and let everyone know how much he wanted deal and let Iran bully us in negotiations. No deal would be better than what Obama agreed to.

    Far less about any legacy(as in how the media describes it) and far, far more about his advancing Islam .
    Tis why he wants Iran nuked up!!! -Tyr


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    40 mind-blowing quotes from Barack Obama about Islam and Christianity

    Joshua Riddle
    February 25, 2015 9:49 pm

    Obama is when it comes to Islam and Christianity.

    20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam and Mohammed

    #1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”

    #2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”

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    #3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

    #4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”

    #5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”

    #6 “Islam has always been part of America”

    #7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”

    #8 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

    #9 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

    #10 “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”

    #11 “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

    #12 “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”

    #13 “In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.”

    #14 “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

    #15 “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”

    #16 “The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”

    #17 “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

    #18 “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.”

    #19 “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

    #20 “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”

    20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity and the Bible

    #1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

    #2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

    #3 “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

    #4 “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

    #5 “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

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    Over the past 5 years, Obama has never one time refuted any claims or comments made about him
    being the liberal savior.

    #6 From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American
    citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital
    visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the
    same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure
    line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

    #7 Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my
    values.”

    #8 “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins,
    and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

    #9 “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about.
    I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some
    level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some
    quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going
    to hell.”

    #10 “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
    I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts
    with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious
    makeup.”

    #11 “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly
    that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my
    faith and my values is a good thing.”

    #12 “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals.
    I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know …
    I do not believe she went to hell.”

    #13 “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”

    #14 On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”

    #15 “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    #16 “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

    #17 “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

    #18 “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

    #19 “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”

    #20 “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”
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    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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