Florida gun shop a 'Muslim-free zone.' Is that legal?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/florida-gun-sh...171417861.html

Florida gun shop a 'Muslim-free zone.' Is that legal?
In a video posted by Florida Gun Supply, the owner announces that his shop will be a 'Muslim-free' zone – a response, he says, to 'political correctness.'

A Florida gun store is in the social-media spotlight this week after making a video announcing a new policy banning Muslims from the premises.

The owner of Florida Gun Supply, located in Inverness, Fla., Andy Hallinan begins the video by defending the Confederate battle flag's historical significance and cultural importance, and closes the video by introducing three new changes: concealed carry classes at the shop will be free, the shooting range will be free and open to the public, and the shop will now be a "Muslim-free zone." He says, "I will not arm and train those who wish to harm my fellow patriots."

The video was created after a gunman attacked two military installations in Chattanooga, Tenn., on July 16, leaving five US military servicemen dead. The shooter has since been identified as Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez. Since the attack, there has been widespread media speculation surrounding his Muslim faith and its possible connection to the crime.

The video has several hundred comments on Facebook. Many are expressions of support: "I commend you on standing up for our rights & freedom! We need more like you!" said one. But another said, "Not when you violate the US Constitution fella."

Is the store's Muslim ban legal?

The Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 makes it a crime for any place of "public accommodation" to deny service to anyone based on religion, race, color, or national origin.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations responded to the incident with a news release calling for a Department of Justice review of Florida Gun Supply and Granite State Guns, which responded to the video by announcing, "I stand beside you 100% We too are a Muslim free zone!!!"

"These bigoted declarations are no different than ‘whites only’ signs posted in businesses during a period of our nation’s history that we hoped was over," said Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR's national communications director.

Mr. Hallinan told local news that he has not yet turned away a customer for being Muslim and understands it’s a difficult policy to enforce: "I'm not gong to say to him, 'Hey, are you a Muslim?' "

Hallinan "knows very little about Islam and Muslims," said Hassan Shibly, executive director of CAIR in Tampa, Fla., to Fox 13. "I hope we can use this an opportunity. I think we'll change some minds and hearts through conversation and not allow our enemies to divide us," he said.

Many American Muslims have already begun a dialogue. As Public Radio International reported in...

Bullcrap. Any store owner should have the right to refuse to sell guns to these stinking , murdering American hating religious vermin..
Their religion demands that they uttering destroy us so why should we show even an ounce of tolerance?
To hell with the law when it demands that we aid in our own destruction!
Hasn't the stinking obama government been living and crying out that same thing for 6 years now?
Why let it be a one -way street aiding only our enemies??
FF-THAT.. -TYR

[red state]

Bullcrap. Any store owner should have the right to refuse to sell guns to these stinking , murdering American hating religious vermin..
Their religion demands that they uttering destroy us so why should we show even an ounce of tolerance?
To hell with the law when it demands that we aid in our own destruction!
Hasn't the stinking obama government been living and crying out that same thing for 6 years now?
Why let in be a one -way street aiding only our enemies??
FF-THAT.. -TYR

Come on, Tyr, the muSLUMS shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else. As Bush Jr. claimed (and I'm sure Jebby thinks much the same) we all worship the same god.....only under a different name. Besides, as Bush Jr. claimed right after 911 (with muSLUMS celebrating all around the globe) iSLUM is a religion of peace.

I'm sure the Chattanooga gun range felt much the same way OR simply feared being another target of the left if they didn't comply. And, changing the topic a bit......has anyone heard if that sob who killed Chris Kyle had, indeed, converted to iSLUM? And what of the largest loss of Navy S.E.A.L.S due to a last minute change in the flight manifest? Was that another terrible trade-off of our dear leader after WE killed OBL?

Tyr, we need to let by-gones be by-gones and face facts.........we were wrong and everyone else was right (here at DP and other forums). I just hope what we've been saying for almost 8 years doesn't come true.....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Come on, Tyr, the muSLUMS shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else. As Bush Jr. claimed (and I'm sure Jebby thinks much the same) we all worship the same god.....only under a different name. Besides, as Bush Jr. claimed right after 911 (with muSLUMS celebrating all around the globe) iSLUM is a religion of peace.

I'm sure the Chattanooga gun range felt much the same way OR simply feared being another target of the left if they didn't comply. And, changing the topic a bit......has anyone heard if that sob who killed Chris Kyle had, indeed, converted to iSLUM? And what of the largest loss of Navy S.E.A.L.S due to a last minute change in the flight manifest? Was that another terrible trade-off of our dear leader after WE killed OBL?

Tyr, we need to let by-gones be by-gones and face facts.........we were wrong and everyone else was right (here at DP and other forums). I just hope what we've been saying for almost 8 years doesn't come true.....

Sarcasm duly noted.
I too believe that the traitor obama was in on the S.E.A.L.S getting killed.
Obama, the most corrupt Presidency in this nation's history- I defy any person to post proof of one that was more corrupt than his is now and its not even over yet! Tyr

[Perianne]

Sarcasm duly noted.
I too believe that the traitor obama was in on the S.E.A.L.S getting killed.
Obama, the most corrupt Presidency in this nation's history- I defy any person to post proof of one that was more corrupt than his is now and its not even over yet! Tyr

I would say Lincoln. Those two are in a category by themselves.

[fj1200]

The Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 makes it a crime for any place of "public accommodation" to deny service to anyone based on religion, race, color, or national origin.

Any store owner should have the right to refuse...

So you weren't really interested in the answer?

[jimnyc]

So you weren't really interested in the answer?

What if the denial is because the owner fears they may use the weapon in a future crime? Boom, end of story. A gun store doesn't need to sell guns to everyone. Instead of stating he doesn't want to sell to "muslims", he can state he doesn't want to sell to anyone he feels could be a potential radical. Or like I said, simply close up shop and tell the "customer" to fuck off, we are now closing.

A muslim walks in and says he would like to purchase a gun. The owner simply would need to state "no thanks, have a nice day". The video was dumb, for notoriety... but he can easily, very easily, deny potential scumbag terrorists from getting their hands on guns from his store.

[fj1200]

What if the denial is because the owner fears they may use the weapon in a future crime? Boom, end of story.

That would be quite the legal defense. I imagine that there would be statistics to prove that out.

[jimnyc]

That would be quite the legal defense. I imagine that there would be statistics to prove that out.

Don't need any of that crap. There's no law that FORCES him to sell guns to everyone and anyone. And if he feels someone may potentially be a danger, he has that right. Do you have anything that states someone MUST sell guns without good cause or such? Because otherwise, he really doesn't need a reason. Hell, the gun store can simply state the person looking to buy seemed suspicious to him, or a risk. He doesn't "have to" give a reason to satisfy the customer, and the customer is free to go try and buy a gun in another shop. It's actually common practice to deny guns to someone they feel is suspicious.

[jimnyc]

Let's remember, outside of the civil rights act - the MOMENT someone walks through his door - he can say "please leave, don't wanna do business" - so long as he doesn't state that it's based on a protected reason. Simply, LEAVE! is all they would need to no sell a weapon to them. There was a place that stopped selling guns to Obama voters too! LOL

But the signs stating "we reserve the right to refuse service..." is still 100% accurate. "Take a hike, beat it, you're on private property.."

[fj1200]

Don't need any of that crap.

Like I said. Have at it.

[Rat]

It wrong to discriminate and hope store owner no go through with plan. If does he should be held responsible and pay fine or whatever penalty is. People sometimes overreact. Only small percent Muslim population extremist. These people take teachings of Quran and misinterpret meaning. They are violent and look for excuse to hurt others. No need view all Muslims bad and discriminate based on actions of a few. No one want to see signs that say no whites, blacks, women, Mexicans, Asians, Jews, Christians, or gays. Muslims no different. They have same rights in this country as everyone else. Banning certain races is no what this country stand for or what our soldiers fought and died for over past 250 years. We sacrifice to have country where everyone free and treated equal.

[jimnyc]

Like I said. Have at it.

I'm not having at it. My point was that it's that simple, and the defense you speak of wouldn't be necessary. Gun shops and other FFL dealers have a LOT of leeway in how they can run their business and sell guns. The "have at it" would be for those that think they HAVE to sell them a gun, or that he needs some great reason.

[jimnyc]

It wrong to discriminate and hope store owner no go through with plan. If does he should be held responsible and pay fine or whatever penalty is. People sometimes overreact. Only small percent Muslim population extremist. These people take teachings of Quran and misinterpret meaning. They are violent and look for excuse to hurt others. No need view all Muslims bad and discriminate based on actions of a few. No one want to see signs that say no whites, blacks, women, Mexicans, Asians, Jews, Christians, or gays. Muslims no different. They have same rights in this country as everyone else. Banning certain races is no what this country stand for or what our soldiers fought and died for over past 250 years. We sacrifice to have country where everyone free and treated equal.

And suppose he simply believes someone is a risky sale? You think that dealer should be fined for being cautious with whom he sells guns to? I would rather guns shops out there being too cautious as opposed to "sell to everyone and anyone".

As for banning ALL muslims. Not sure I fully agree, BUT, I'm not sure I fully disagree either. How do you know which ones are radicalized and which aren't? And the killings of soldiers on American soldiers, and who killed them... I wouldn't want such blood on my hands and would much rather simply not do business.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What if the denial is because the owner fears they may use the weapon in a future crime? Boom, end of story. A gun store doesn't need to sell guns to everyone. Instead of stating he doesn't want to sell to "muslims", he can state he doesn't want to sell to anyone he feels could be a potential radical. Or like I said, simply close up shop and tell the "customer" to fuck off, we are now closing.

A muslim walks in and says he would like to purchase a gun. The owner simply would need to state "no thanks, have a nice day". The video was dumb, for notoriety... but he can easily, very easily, deny potential scumbag terrorists from getting their hands on guns from his store.

What if the store owner thinks they go out to their vehicle--load the gun there and come back in to shot him and his customers/ employees!!!?
None of the can be trusted ever--they have sworn an oath to destroy all of us!
I can not grasp how so many can not understand that--they are determined to kill me and you and all that are not muzzie scum. The ones not doing the killing must support those doing the killing or else be killed themselves (as apostates).--Tyr

[fj1200]

Let's remember, outside of the civil rights act - the MOMENT someone walks through his door - he can say "please leave, don't wanna do business" - so long as he doesn't state that it's based on a protected reason. Simply, LEAVE! is all they would need to no sell a weapon to them. There was a place that stopped selling guns to Obama voters too! LOL

But the signs stating "we reserve the right to refuse service..." is still 100% accurate. "Take a hike, beat it, you're on private property.."

Not really, it'll take 10 seconds for a civil rights attorney to come up with proof of discrimination. Parade ten Muslims through the store whereby each gets denied service. Try this exercise; have a restaurant owner tell a black guy to leave and see how long it takes to be sued.

I'm not having at it. My point was that it's that simple, and the defense you speak of wouldn't be necessary. Gun shops and other FFL dealers have a LOT of leeway in how they can run their business and sell guns. The "have at it" would be for those that think they HAVE to sell them a gun, or that he needs some great reason.

Do tell. I imagine ignoring the CRA is not among them.