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    Default The Unknown (for you) War - 1979.

    The Unknown War

    The greatest battles of World War II, the most colossal encounters of military force,
    the most devastating human losses which the modern world has ever seen, occurred on Russian soil during
    1941-1945, on a battlefield that is unknown to most Americans.

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    Fearing not injury, nor seeking fame,
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    Wasn't unknown to me. (Shrug)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balu View Post
    The Unknown War

    The greatest battles of World War II, the most colossal encounters of military force,
    the most devastating human losses which the modern world has ever seen, occurred on Russian soil during
    1941-1945, on a battlefield that is unknown to most Americans.

    'Thank you', but Westerners are somewhat familiar with this, despite what you'd like to believe.

    A couple of points:

    1. It shouldn't be forgotten that, prior to this, Stalin entered into a pact with Hitler. They were ALLIES. The only reason they ceased to be allies was that Hitler reneged on that arrangement. Indeed, I understand that Stalin was initially shocked to discover he'd lost Hitler's 'comradeship' ... ?

    2. Yes, I know Russia suffered quite a death toll. A question that occurs is, how did it stack up AGAINST THE SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE STALIN SLAUGHTERED, IN UKRAINE ??

    You doubtless want us to feel sympathy, or at least 'understanding', about the Russian deaths of WWII. But, where's YOUR understanding, YOUR compassion, where all the past Ukrainian suffering and death is concerned ? Lost in your desire to heap abuse on present-day Ukraine, because she DARES to want, and to fight for, total independence from her Russian oppressors .. ???

    If you have such a blind spot when it comes to Ukraine, would we be in our rights to develop any form of equivalent where Russia is concerned ? Or do you intend to maintain your double standards, come-what-may ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Wasn't unknown to me. (Shrug)
    Nor to me. Over here in the UK, we've had documentaries on it appear on our TV.

    I'd be surprised if anyone here didn't know something about this.
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    Forgive me for making a comment having only seen the opening minutes of the video, but is this 'unknown war' a reference to the war between Germany and Soviet Russia during World War Two?
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Forgive me for making a comment having only seen the opening minutes of the video, but is this 'unknown war' a reference to the war between Germany and Soviet Russia during World War Two?
    Obviously so.

    Balu seemingly thinks that we know nothing about it. I've no idea why he has such a belief.
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    I think what may be unknown to many is the Red Army's rape of Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Obviously so.

    Balu seemingly thinks that we know nothing about it. I've no idea why he has such a belief.
    Oh dear =/

    Idk about the curriculum in the states Balu (though I assume it's similar), but in the UK you won't find a 16 year old who hasn't been through a course on World War Two, focusing on the Britsh, American, Russian, German, and Japanese forces.
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    Since we have Burt Lancaster narrating / presenting the video Balu provides, I thought I'd do a bit of research on him ... considering that he seems to be offering some sort of supportive narrative for the Russian Communist State, in its struggle against Hitler.

    Surprise, surprise. Turns out that Lancaster was a Leftie ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Lancaster

    Lancaster was a vocal supporter of liberal political causes, and frequently spoke out in support of racial minorities, including at the March on Washington in 1963. He was a vocal opponent of the Vietnam War and political movements such asMcCarthyism, and he helped pay for the successful defense of a soldier accused of "fragging" (murdering) another soldier during the war.[16] In 1968, Lancaster actively supported the presidential candidacy of antiwar Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota, and frequently spoke on his behalf during the Democratic primaries.
    I expect that this is better known amongst people on this forum, than it was to me, until just minutes ago ? Regardless, this obviously explains Lancaster's involvement in a video such as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balu View Post
    The Unknown War

    The greatest battles of World War II, the most colossal encounters of military force,
    the most devastating human losses which the modern world has ever seen, occurred on Russian soil during
    1941-1945, on a battlefield that is unknown to most Americans.

    You mean the war you created?

    We watched you get your asses kicked. So it's not unknown. It's just we didn't care about your commie asses.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    I was in an unknown war once.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Oh dear =/

    Idk about the curriculum in the states Balu (though I assume it's similar), but in the UK you won't find a 16 year old who hasn't been through a course on World War Two, focusing on the Britsh, American, Russian, German, and Japanese forces.
    Exactly so, Noir. Balu thinks he's 'educating us'. I have no idea why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Since we have Burt Lancaster narrating / presenting the video Balu provides, I thought I'd do a bit of research on him ... considering that he seems to be offering some sort of supportive narrative for the Russian Communist State, in its struggle against Hitler.

    Surprise, surprise. Turns out that Lancaster was a Leftie ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Lancaster



    I expect that this is better known amongst people on this forum, than it was to me, until just minutes ago ? Regardless, this obviously explains Lancaster's involvement in a video such as this.
    Eugene was far left for sure. Question is was he farther left than Bobby Kennedy?

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    I think you're mistaken, Balu... there's been a great many documentaries made here in America about that facet of the war. I've watched a dozen or so.
    Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I was in an unknown war once.
    I remember that. Out on the Chop Suey Trail.
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