The Unknown (for you) War - 1979.

[Drummond]

I think what may be unknown to many is the Red Army's rape of Germany.

Nothing would surprise me where Commie trash is concerned.

[Gunny]

I was in an unknown war once.

Yeah? Which war war was that? (and yeah, I know it's a joke).

[Drummond]

Eugene was far left for sure. Question is was he farther left than Bobby Kennedy?

Does it matter ? A Leftie is a Leftie ...

[jimnyc]

Yeah? Which war war was that? (and yeah, I know it's a joke).

Now that I go to tell a story, I feel bad, as if it's demeaning to those who fought in real wars.

But I did once score 4 touchdowns in a HS football game for Polk High!

[Black Diamond]

Does it matter ? A Leftie is a Leftie ...

Maybe not in 1968. But today there are lefties and then there's Obama.

[Drummond]

Maybe not in 1968. But today there are lefties and then there's Obama.

Fair enough - point taken.

Still ... where I'm from, what Obama has done is pretty tame compared with what the Left has got up to on this side of the Pond.

The NHS, for one, where virtually all of healthcare is State-run ... with consequent disasters.

Or, Unions that have had the power to paralyse Society. Margaret Thatcher had to deal with them by passing tough legislation, curbing their freedom to go on wrecking sprees.

Margaret wasn't fond of 'Big Government' solutions when there was an alternative .. but, neither did she flinch from applying them, when a need presented itself. Hers was a totally practical approach, doing whatever it took to solve a problem.

[NightTrain]

Yeah? Which war war was that? (and yeah, I know it's a joke).

I was there, too.

I took this pic out on the Chop Suey Trail with Jim and DMP. DMP was securing the perimeter for the photo op.

[gabosaurus]

The Eastern Front is so unknown that countless thousands of books have been written about it.
I would love to educate Balu on the real "unknown war" -- the German side. Since Soviet Russia has censored or revised all accounts of Russian atrocities since 1941.
I have read books and seen films about the "unknown war." My maternal grandfather fought on the Eastern Front in 1944-45. I am guessing that Balu has relatives who fought on the opposite side.
The REAL "unknown war" is how the Russians oppressed their territories after WWII. The Berlin Wall was not erected as a tourist attraction.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I was there, too.

I took this pic out on the Chop Suey Trail with Jim and DMP. DMP was securing the perimeter for the photo op.

Damn Jim, aren't those two big green earrings hanging kinda low amigo?
At least ya got a matching pair.. --Tyr

[gabosaurus]

I was in an unknown war once.

It's not unknown. Your brothers have documented the need to whoop your butt regularly on several occasions.

[darin]

Fear the fro!

[Gunny]

The Eastern Front is so unknown that countless thousands of books have been written about it.
I would love to educate Balu on the real "unknown war" -- the German side. Since Soviet Russia has censored or revised all accounts of Russian atrocities since 1941.
I have read books and seen films about the "unknown war." My maternal grandfather fought on the Eastern Front in 1944-45. I am guessing that Balu has relatives who fought on the opposite side.
The REAL "unknown war" is how the Russians oppressed their territories after WWII. The Berlin Wall was not erected as a tourist attraction.

You're ridiculous. The atrocities the Germans committed against hte Russians started this crap. Even attacking Russia was stupid. The Germans bit off more than they can chew. I don't condone war crimes but when mess the bull you get the horns. Hitler hadn't consolidate Europe. You don't start a second front.

[Black Diamond]

You're ridiculous. The atrocities the Germans committed against hte Russians started this crap. Even attacking Russia was stupid. The Germans bit off more than they can chew. I don't condone war crimes but when mess the bull you get the horns. Hitler hadn't consolidate Europe. You don't start a second front.

England decision to fight after Dunkirk was huge.

[Elessar]

The Unknown War

The greatest battles of World War II, the most colossal encounters of military force,
the most devastating human losses which the modern world has ever seen, occurred on Russian soil during
1941-1945, on a battlefield that is unknown to most Americans.

That is kind of a wrong assumption. Russia got their butt kicked at first because Stalin purged 8 (I believe) of
his top field commanders before the Nazi war machine turned on them.

If it wasn't for that dreadful winter and Hitler interfering to spread his forces out over too broad a
territory, the Nazis might have prevailed much better at first.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You're ridiculous. The atrocities the Germans committed against hte Russians started this crap. Even attacking Russia was stupid. The Germans bit off more than they can chew. I don't condone war crimes but when mess the bull you get the horns. Hitler hadn't consolidate Europe. You don't start a second front.

History clearly points out that had Hitler not attacked the Russians we would not have won that war..
First those forces/airpower etc. would have knocked Britain out and it was nip and tuck for us with Britain in the game as it was.
Second, the resources sank into fighting in Russia were a massive drain on Germany.
Hitler lost the war once he committed to invade and conquer Russia.
And even after that the germans almost won..
Had Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to strike airfields and military only in Britain , instead of bombing civilians in cities there Britain was lost.
Two huge mistakes and the bastard made both of them because he thought he was a military genius.
The generals that were adamantly against invading Russia Hitler had executed or else drummed out of the german military.
Dividing forces and adding multiple fronts has sank many an invading force as history so clearly shows.
Russia was savaged all to hell by the germans, Leningrad and Stalingrad..

The German siege of Leningrad lasted 900 days from September, 1941 to January, 1944. During that time 800,000 people, nearly a third of the population died.

Stalingrad-- Only at the end did it become apparent the scale of destruction and death that had occurred at Stalingrad, estimates vary but the death toll is generally accepted to be somewhere between one and two million, though not universal it is generally accepted to be the single largest death toll in any battle in mankind’s history.