What A Surge Really Means

[High Plains Drifter]

A "surge"? Frankly, I've been hearing don't even have enough troops and resources to "surge". We're stretched out practically right down to nothing left.

[Gunny]

I think it's a worthy opinion piece. And apparently the Iraq and Afghanistan vets thought so, too, since they linked it. Reikoff is pretty good about taking positions only for the benefit of the troops, IMO.

Perhaps the reason military folk are speaking their minds and acting as sources for articles like this is that they think Bush isn't listening to them.

Perhaps the military folk want the damned politicians out and the handcuffs removed so they can do what they are trained to do.

[jillian]

Perhaps the military folk want the damned politicians out and the handcuffs removed so they can do what they are trained to do.

I'd have been okay with that at the beginning when they were begging for troops. Now I don't think it's worth one more American life because there's no practical objective that can be met by escalation at this time. It's just too late.

And I WAS listening to military folk... like Abizaid who seemed to know EXACTLY what he was talking about.

[Gunny]

I'd have been okay with that at the beginning when they were begging for troops. Now I don't think it's worth one more American life because there's no practical objective that can be met by escalation at this time. It's just too late.

And I WAS listening to military folk... like Abizaid who seemed to know EXACTLY what he was talking about.

It is not too late. You've been listening to too much doomsaying.

Abizaid might know "exactly what he is talking about" because you agree with his opinion.

[jillian]

It is not too late. You've been listening to too much doomsaying.

Abizaid might know "exactly what he is talking about" because you agree with his opinion.

No. I've been listening to all sides.

And perhaps you don't agree with Abizaid because you DON'T agree with his opinion. Works that way sometimes.

[Gunny]

No. I've been listening to all sides.

And perhaps you don't agree with Abizaid because you DON'T agree with his opinion. Works that way sometimes.

The difference: I'm fully-trained and qualified to disagree, or agree with is opinion, as the case may be.

[Gaffer]

Abizaid has been replaced so maybe wasn't the one to be listened too. Just cause he's a general doesn't make him right on all military matters.

Generals are military politicians. Not all achieve that rank because they are good commanders.

[jillian]

The difference: I'm fully-trained and qualified to disagree, or agree with is opinion, as the case may be.

Really? Well, perhaps...

I think I'll go with Abizaid on this one because it's common sense and apparent. The fact that Bush only wants to hear what he's already decided he believes notwithstanding.

[Dilloduck]

Really? Well, perhaps...

I think I'll go with Abizaid on this one because it's common sense and apparent. The fact that Bush only wants to hear what he's already decided he believes notwithstanding.

Bush is most likely getting every bit of advice from A-Z. Just bcause he doesn't act on all of them doesn't mean he doesn't listen.

[TheSage]

Really? Well, perhaps...

I think I'll go with Abizaid on this one because it's common sense and apparent. The fact that Bush only wants to hear what he's already decided he believes notwithstanding.

At least bush can maintain a consistent thought. He doesn't present " I voted for the war before I voted against it" as an "answer".

[jillian]

At least bush can maintain a consistent thought. He doesn't present " I voted for the war before I voted against it" as an "answer".

Bush "believes the same thing on Wednesday as he did on Monday ...... no matter what happened on Tuesday" -- Stephen Colbert

[TheSage]

Bush "believes the same thing on Wednesday as he did on Monday ...... no matter what happened on Tuesday" -- Stephen Colbert

I quote a senator, you quote a comedian. I grant there's not a ton of difference, but still; my source is more legitimate.

[Evil]

Let's just debate policy. Border: Important or not? Closed or open? Economic issue or security issue?

Yes sir, my mistake sir!

I never said a word about the borders in fact I don't agree with his immigration policy at all so while you are harping about debating policy it may be a good time to remind you that it was your simple minded suggestion that brought the topic of course there Shirley!

[TheSage]

Yes sir, my mistake sir!

I never said a word about the borders in fact I don't agree with his immigration policy at all so while you are harping about debating policy it may be a good time to remind you that it was your simple minded suggestion that brought the topic of course there Shirley!

Oh, eat me, Madge!

[Evil]

Oh, eat me, Madge!

Would'nt of expected anything less Betsy!