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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Yes, I did, as a matter of fact.

    Yes, except that it cannot be less than the federal minimum wage, making it a less than ideal determinate. Which is why I had that whole fed min wage being for federal workers.
    How long ago? I would have guessed that various factors would have meant workers could have commanded higher wages than the minimum. I remember awhile back that the effective minimum wage even in suburban Atlanta was like around $9 even at fast food places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    How long ago? I would have guessed that various factors would have meant workers could have commanded higher wages than the minimum. I remember awhile back that the effective minimum wage even in suburban Atlanta was like around $9 even at fast food places.
    There are Mcdonalds and similar fast food places in NYC and the majority of them pay the minimum wage, still today. That's likely how they build their business of course, knowing how many employees and knowing what the minimum wages are for unskilled workers. Today, like $9?, isn't that bad for kids living in NYC, as the majority won't have cars to fill up with gas!

    Always remember, some will try and use factors for demanding a higher wage, and then 50x that amount of people will be waiting behind them for that job.

    But being that everything is more expensive there, including income for the stores, they do have a better ability to pay more than the competition to retain employees.
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    Wages are a form of communication. It's how the market speaks to you. The government shouldn't manipulate wages. That causes workers to be lied to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    There are Mcdonalds and similar fast food places in NYC and the majority of them pay the minimum wage, still today. That's likely how they build their business of course, knowing how many employees and knowing what the minimum wages are for unskilled workers. Today, like $9?, isn't that bad for kids living in NYC, as the majority won't have cars to fill up with gas!

    Always remember, some will try and use factors for demanding a higher wage, and then 50x that amount of people will be waiting behind them for that job.

    But being that everything is more expensive there, including income for the stores, they do have a better ability to pay more than the competition to retain employees.
    It's all a game. Yo make X amount and the people ripping you off make X amount. They're going to take whatever you can't starve off of. While the actual amount is different, the percentage is the same.
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    I believe the whole quote was...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    Yes, I did, as a matter of fact.

    Yes, except that it cannot be less than the federal minimum wage, making it a less than ideal determinate. Which is why I had that whole fed min wage being for federal workers.
    So where in the US Constitution does it state a bunch of career politicians in DC get to set the wage for people in NM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    How long ago? I would have guessed that various factors would have meant workers could have commanded higher wages than the minimum. I remember awhile back that the effective minimum wage even in suburban Atlanta was like around $9 even at fast food places.
    $7.50 an hour in San Antonio. Slinging hash? for $16 you just have to know everything there is to know about electricity.

    SO do you you double my wages when you double a bunch of dishwashers'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    So where in the US Constitution does it state a bunch of career politicians in DC get to set the wage for people in NM?
    Commerce Clause.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    $7.50 an hour in San Antonio. Slinging hash? for $16 you just have to know everything there is to know about electricity.

    SO do you you double my wages when you double a bunch of dishwashers'?
    Let the market determine wages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    So where in the US Constitution does it state a bunch of career politicians in DC get to set the wage for people in NM?
    Oh, it doesn't, and therein lies the rub. It's basically been allowed, under the "general health and welfare" concept, but really, having a federal minimum wage is functionally useless, because we have a country that could fit all of Europe inside with room to spare. No one would try to say that the cost of living in Ireland is the same as that of Greece but yet, that is exactly what the federal government is doing here, with a much larger distance between the Capitol and the west coast.

    By releasing it down to the county level, states can work together to even out their growth rate throughout the state, so you don't end up with the issue of Oregon and New York, where a single city is so populace that whatever that city wants gets passed, even if the entire rest of the state voted directly against it.

    While it would help to raise the minimum wage in NYC (Though it needs to be incrementally, so that local businesses can absorb the cost, unlike Seattle, whose economy rapidly started to tank after they made the full jump), where the cost of living has grown way beyond the wage, the same is not true in Albany, NY even, where all that is needed is some more available rental properties to help bring down the housing costs, or the Hampton Roads area of VA, which really, just needs to keep moving with its light rail construction, in order to make the region fully accessible to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Commerce Clause.



    Let the market determine wages.
    The Commerce Clause really wasn't built to determine wages for, essentially, the whole continent. This is where I see the problem, that it should've been a matter of the States Rights amendment, where obviously, Washington should determine Washington's wages, while Oregon determines Oregon's.

    Most really bad legislative ideas seem to be born out of someone trying to stretch the definition of Constitutional clauses. Wage isn't really so much a matter of commerce, but a matter of sustainable living/value for effort, and should be handled more locally for better results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    How long ago? I would have guessed that various factors would have meant workers could have commanded higher wages than the minimum. I remember awhile back that the effective minimum wage even in suburban Atlanta was like around $9 even at fast food places.
    As of 2013, at least. I still have family in NYC, so I usually get to listen to a lot of the bitching about issues like minimum wage.
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    ^^It was a joke. The Commerce Clause is very convenient to Federal intrusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonStryk72 View Post
    As of 2013, at least. I still have family in NYC, so I usually get to listen to a lot of the bitching about issues like minimum wage.
    That surprises me but it's what you get when you have excess supply or insufficient demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    That surprises me but it's what you get when you have excess supply or insufficient demand.
    Also, lazy legislators who wait for basically a screaming majority to do anything to address the issue.
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