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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    Sorry, it's clear you didn't grasp the OP.

    Due to Bush and Blair's involvement with the ME, the Islamic terrorists have free reign.
    Your hackery is showing.

    And then some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Totally the opposite is true. For as long as Bush and Blair kept momentum going on the War on Terror, terrorists were wrong-footed. What do you think Coalition forces were doing in the ME .. playing Tiddlywinks ??

    No, the real problems began with Obama, and his reversal of previous policy. Troop withdrawals led to the current situation. For as long as the very opposite to that was true, they were kept in check. And more than that, some were killed. Yet more were taken to Gitmo.

    You don't have a doctor prescribe medicine, medicine which keeps an illness in check, have a replacement doctor halt the treatment, then blame the PREVIOUS doctor if the illness then gets worse !!

    Sir Drummond. Just an observation here, but 'nonnie' seems to be a perfect example of our American, Liberal, DNC Talking Points Manual, student who has yet to learn how to Spell, Speak, Count, and Inhale. Just an observation as I wander through the desperation of intended Progressive Ignorance "American Style".
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Sir Drummond. Just an observation here, but 'nonnie' seems to be a perfect example of our American, Liberal, DNC Talking Points Manual, student who has yet to learn how to Spell, Speak, Count, and Inhale. Just an observation as I wander through the desperation of intended Progressive Ignorance "American Style".
    Except Nonnie is not American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Obama was instrumental in helping Egypt and Libya overhrow Mubarak and Gaddafi. He attempted to overthrow Assad, but was stopped (or is being stopped) by Putin.
    Obama sounds like a neocon in this instance.
    That wasn't an answer to the question. AS started in Tunisia and then Algeria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    Except Nonnie is not American.
    So? Neither are you if we go by the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. And people tolerate YOUR opinion. Maybe you ought to get around more, Miss Know it All. Your intolerance to others is the problem here.

    And right about now I'd prefer to be living back on Crete than in the Hell-hole the idiot you voted for created. So when you want to point fingers, start with your mirror.
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    I hope and pray there is never a WW3.

    But I suspect they'll be a lot of small wars and terror for many years to come.
    plus underhanded tech attacks and stealth deniable warfare will become more prevalent.
    And the rank and file will "know" less and less about real enemies and friends. If we don't wake up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I hope and pray there is never a WW3.

    But I suspect they'll be a lot of small wars and terror for many years to come.
    plus underhanded tech attacks and stealth deniable warfare will become more prevalent.
    And the rank and file will "know" less and less about real enemies and friends. If we don't wake up.
    The rank and file aren't as dumb as people think. The problem with the rank and file is they're so busy working to pay taxes so slackers can get welfare, they don't have a lot of time to pay attention; whereas, losers and elitists with no jobs more than willing to spend everyone else's money have all the time in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Sir Drummond. Just an observation here, but 'nonnie' seems to be a perfect example of our American, Liberal, DNC Talking Points Manual, student who has yet to learn how to Spell, Speak, Count, and Inhale. Just an observation as I wander through the desperation of intended Progressive Ignorance "American Style".
    I'm English. Stop wandering and read. If you would like me to correct any of your spellings to English, by all means ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The rank and file aren't as dumb as people think. The problem with the rank and file is they're so busy working to pay taxes so slackers can get welfare, they don't have a lot of time to pay attention; whereas, losers and elitists with no jobs more than willing to spend everyone else's money have all the time in the world.
    well sure work keeps people occupied, but the context people come to new info with makes a difference. If the reality of foreign affairs or politics falls outside of certain believed parameters then the new info is rejected or shoehorned into frameworks people are used to.

    And the messengers are called names, and the elite players feed the false framework via the media to keep the rank and file re-assursed.
    so new games are played out and the rank and file see results but not the real causes.. because they don't have a "believable" or "realistic" context for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    If or when a World War III kicks off, who do think it will be against?

    If it's against the Middle East and the West, do you feel Bush and Blair are to blame?

    Will the Soviets side with the Muslim fanatics?
    WWIII can only occur if we get a few more empty headed Liberals like Obama for President and the American sheeple foolishly put Democrats back in charge of Congress over the next few decades.

    We can all avoid that by keeping Liberal Democrat politicians at the margins of political power where they can do the least amount of damage.
    The real fantasy world is the one that allows Democrats to run from a past that never was to a future no one wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Both took meritorious stands against a vicious enemy.

    I'll agree that Blair isn't within light years of being in the same league as Churchill. That much is surely obvious (one's a Leftie, after all !). But both defended their country's interest from an aggressor force. They had that right.

    Saddam HAD to be dealt with. Let's say he hadn't been .. he'd have succeeded in facing down the UN and world opinion, and not least the US .. tell me, where would have led ? For one .. Saddam would have considered himself free to build, and keep, whatever WMD stock he wanted. But more, any tinpot maverick nutter out there would've seen that THEY could, too.

    Today, twelve years on, the world would doubtless be looking at multiples of the number of potential flashpoints across the world from which major crises could spring. AND ... how many of those maverick leaders would've done 'dodgy deals' with terrorists ?? How many terrorist groups would be armed with WMD's, and be capable of wiping out cities' populations on a mere whim ?

    No. Not dealing with Saddam would've made today's world a much more dangerous place to live in. Bush and Blair's reward for keeping us safer in our beds should not be to demonise them as 'war criminals' !!
    Then it's just purely speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    WWIII can only occur if we get a few more empty headed Liberals like Obama for President and the American sheeple foolishly put Democrats back in charge of Congress over the next few decades.

    We can all avoid that by keeping Liberal Democrat politicians at the margins of political power where they can do the least amount of damage.
    Don't blame the leader, blame those who voted for the leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    If or when a World War III kicks off, who do think it will be against?

    If it's against the Middle East and the West, do you feel Bush and Blair are to blame?

    Will the Soviets side with the Muslim fanatics?

    According to Biblical prophecy, it will be the whole world against Israel, for one thing. Gog and Magog are, supposedly, Russia and China. Damascus is to be completely destroyed, but according to a video I saw, so is Mecca...as the "Whore of Babylon", so to speak.



    I don't know (anything for certain). It's all so confusing. I do know that it's not quite time yet. Certain things have not been fulfilled.

    But I don't hold out much hope for any Rapture of the believers/Christians BEFORE any of this bad stuff happens. I think we may live to witness it all. Now...whether we will live through it remains to be seen. (you asked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    If or when a World War III kicks off, who do think it will be against?

    If it's against the Middle East and the West, do you feel Bush and Blair are to blame?

    Will the Soviets side with the Muslim fanatics?
    Bush and Blair are not to blame.

    It is the Muslim tribal fanatics.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    A Deplorable!

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    So far it doesn't seem like the Muslims at all are driving us towards WWIII.
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