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    So in other words Noir is OK with torture as long as his people don't do it. Nice! Nice and hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown View Post
    So in other words Noir is OK with torture as long as his people don't do it. Nice! Nice and hypocritical.

    Sounds like Noir condones 'beheadings', 'hangings', and 'stonings'. Not to mention how France was the first nation to use the guillotine. Would anyone consider any of those Torture???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Mass interconnectivity dispels such 'evils' effortlessly.
    You're dreaming. You surely can't be that naive !!

    What makes you think that the Iranian authorities would ever allow 'Western' ideas to ever spread to the Iranian people in general - or, for that matter, for anyone in Iran to freely express any realities about Iran which their authorities might disapprove of (for whatever reason) ?

    See ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...orship_in_Iran

    Internet censorship in Iran has been increasing. In the first few years of the 21st century, Iran experienced a great surge in Internet usage, and, with 20 million people on the Internet, currently has the second highest percentage of its population online in the Middle East, after Israel.

    Almost 50% of the top 500 visited websites in the world, including YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Google Plus, are blocked in Iran. The blocked sites have a wide range of topics including health, science, sports, news, and even shopping.

    Attempting to visit a blacklisted page will always redirect you to peyvandha.ir in 25 Seconds, after replacing the desired page with this page. That is abortable optionally by a click on (ماندن در این صفحه)[3]

    When initially introduced, the Internet services provided by the government within Iran were comparatively open. Many users saw the Internet as an easy way to get around Iran's strict press laws. Internet censorship increased with the administration of conservative president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2005. Regime opponents in Iran are said to rely heavily on Web-based communication with the outside world.

    Many bloggers, online activists, and technical staff have faced jail terms, harassment and abuse. In 2006 and again in 2010, the activist group Reporters Without Borders labeled Iran one of the 12 or 13 countries it designated "Enemies of the Internet". Reporters Without the Borders sent a letter to UN high Comissioner for human rights Navi Pillay to share its deep concern and ask for her intervention in the case of two netizens/free speech defenders, Vahid Asghari and Hossein Derakhshan. One of major accusation of Vahid Asghari was creating a national plan against censorship by the government.

    In preparation for the March 2012 elections, the Iran government instituted strict rules on cybercafes and is preparing to launch a national Internet. It also requires all Iranians to register their web sites with the Ministry of art and culture.

    At the beginning of March 2012, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader told Iranian authorities to set up a body to oversee the Internet. The body which is called The Supreme Council of Virtual Space will consist of the president, culture and information minister, the police and Revolutionary Guard chiefs. Their task will be to define policy and co-ordinate decisions regarding the Internet. This is thought to be the country’s authorities strongest attempt at controlling the Internet so far.
    YOU trust such people if you want to, Noir. The rest of us see this as an approach designed to close off Iran from scrutiny, and to stop Iranians from ever questioning 'official lines' on issues. This is because .. they 'deserve to be trusted' ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Mass interconnectivity dispels such 'evils' effortlessly.
    Dumb. My last comment: elephant in the room. They don't care about your ability to spell nor rationalize. They want to kill you. You either get your ass down in the dirt and fight, or you die. They don't give a f*ck about you trying to rationalize their actions by YOUR beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    Sounds like Noir condones 'beheadings', 'hangings', and 'stonings'. Not to mention how France was the first nation to use the guillotine. Would anyone consider any of those Torture???
    No, they're capital punishments and you can't measure/compare history against current laws and ethics otherwise everyone in history will fail.

    Take what we do now, in the future, laws and ethics change. So what is right now will fail in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    No, they're capital punishments and you can't measure/compare history against current laws and ethics otherwise everyone in history will fail.

    Take what we do now, in the future, laws and ethics change. So what is right now will fail in the future.
    I could be wrong, but I think AT kinda was talking about the differences between the US and other Islamic countries. People go ballistic on the US for waterboarding - folks that are breathing this very day - and still go on about it many years later. Meanwhile, in many Islamic countries, they are literally cutting peoples heads off. Many by ISIS or other groups in some sort of wars against one another. Then you also see it for crimes like adultery or robbery. I very rarely see someone getting their head lopped off for a crime of murder. It's just barbaric in so many other countries.

    I know people aren't running around condoning it. But there's still a HUGE difference in any type of coverage, or outrage. One would think that if someone has outrage for waterboarding, that they would be beyond outraged at the ENDLESS amount of beheadings in the Islamic world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motown View Post
    So in other words Noir is OK with torture as long as his people don't do it. Nice! Nice and hypocritical.
    No, that is not what I think.
    I am against torture, but would probably be condone its use given the some 'but you're certain this terrorist knows which school has a bomb planted in its hallway' hypothetical.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think AT kinda was talking about the differences between the US and other Islamic countries. People go ballistic on the US for waterboarding - folks that are breathing this very day - and still go on about it many years later. Meanwhile, in many Islamic countries, they are literally cutting peoples heads off. Many by ISIS or other groups in some sort of wars against one another. Then you also see it for crimes like adultery or robbery. I very rarely see someone getting their head lopped off for a crime of murder. It's just barbaric in so many other countries.

    I know people aren't running around condoning it. But there's still a HUGE difference in any type of coverage, or outrage. One would think that if someone has outrage for waterboarding, that they would be beyond outraged at the ENDLESS amount of beheadings in the Islamic world.
    IMO, if you're trashing us and ignoring them, you ARE condoning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    No, they're capital punishments and you can't measure/compare history against current laws and ethics otherwise everyone in history will fail.

    Take what we do now, in the future, laws and ethics change. So what is right now will fail in the future.
    Ethics are one thing, but he who is willing to fight dirtiest wins. There are no ethics in combat. Trying to superimpose them on us just makes us targets. I'm going to win and you can stick your rules. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    And I NEVER want to tell another Marine's wife I got her husband killed EVER. And I don't care what rules, structures and/or anything else I have to destroy to do it. It ain't a game nor a board discussion when you're manning the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonnie View Post
    No, they're capital punishments and you can't measure/compare history against current laws and ethics otherwise everyone in history will fail.

    Take what we do now, in the future, laws and ethics change. So what is right now will fail in the future.
    Personally. I am pretty pragmatic about life, and reality. Therefore, I know. Nothing any of us say here, nor what any of us think about this topic...other than a forum where it can be argued until we all turn BLUE in the face; will have any effect on the reality that has, and will take place concerning waterboarding, or any of the other so-called forms of torture. NONE OF US have any power to change that. And finally. If the life of ANY AMERICAN hangs in the balance as to whether waterboarding is, or isn't used to gain vital information that MIGHT save a life. I hope the powers that be USE IT. We can all complain, or express our displeasure with what you call torture UNTIL.....It involves YOU, or someone in your FAMILY.

    You can argue as much as you like. I'll stick with every effort to SAVE A LIFE first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    IMO, if you're trashing us and ignoring them, you ARE condoning it.
    I'm not sure that I would read this as anyone trashing us nor ignoring them. Yes, we do largely get in a huge kerfuffle about what we do in relation to what they do... but we're better and should act like it.
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