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    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    Common examples;
    Reading phone/online messages,
    Opening posted mail,
    Going though their living area,
    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc.
    Monitoring what monies are spent on.

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    Common examples;
    Reading phone/online messages, Never felt the need.
    Opening posted mail, No one gets any these days.
    Going though their living area, Eh, maybe while cleaning up, but never on a witch hunt.
    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc. Absolutely, yes. Kinda still do, lol.
    Monitoring what monies are spent on. Once the money is hers, she can buy whatever, long as it's legal. With her first career job, she puts half her paycheck directly into the bank for savings, so I think we did ok there.

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low? As to where she is, and with whom, whatever gets the job done. Safety first, everything else second.



    As to the overall question, a lot is determined by behavior. If a child earns your trust, it should be given. And assuming the worst in someone usually backfires.
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    Reading phone/online messages: No

    Opening posted mail: No

    Going though their living area: No

    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc: I have to know the parents of anyone my daughter visits regularly or goes out with.

    Monitoring what monies are spent on: Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    Common examples;
    Reading phone/online messages,
    Opening posted mail,
    Going though their living area,
    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc.
    Monitoring what monies are spent on.

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low?
    The way I did this is when they left my house they had privacy...until then they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Once a parent, always a parent.

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    It depends on the child...


    Reading phone/online messages:
    For the criminal child, you bet your ass. For the other two, wasn't necessary.

    Opening posted mail: Never.

    Going though their living area: If they left it a mess, in my house, and I was forced to clean it, tough shit for them.

    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc.: For the criminal, you bet your ass. For the other two, depended on the activity.

    Monitoring what monies are spent on: If it was my money, yes. If it was during the course of teaching them financial responsibility, yes. Otherwise, meh... Not so much

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low? For the criminal, both. For the other two, from time to time I would check up on them, just to make sure I could still trust them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    Once a parent, always a parent.




    It depends on the child...


    Reading phone/online messages:
    For the criminal child, you bet your ass. For the other two, wasn't necessary.

    Opening posted mail: Never.

    Going though their living area: If they left it a mess, in my house, and I was forced to clean it, tough shit for them.

    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc.: For the criminal, you bet your ass. For the other two, depended on the activity.

    Monitoring what monies are spent on: If it was my money, yes. If it was during the course of teaching them financial responsibility, yes. Otherwise, meh... Not so much

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low? For the criminal, both. For the other two, from time to time I would check up on them, just to make sure I could still trust them...
    I didn't know you adopted my daughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I didn't know you adopted my daughter.

    You have one too? Mine just started a four year stint...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    You have one too? Mine just started a four year stint...
    This what my uncle told me: "They go off to Mars for awhile but usually come back." Mine's a school teacher now and an Army vet.

    Don't give up too soon. I thought I was going to have to kill her when she was a teenager. But she IS a chip off the old block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    This what my uncle told me: "They go off to Mars for awhile but usually come back." Mine's a school teacher now and an Army vet.

    Don't give up too soon. I thought I was going to have to kill her when she was a teenager. But she IS a chip off the old block.

    This one is 32, pretty sure her course is set...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    Common examples;
    Reading phone/online messages, When he was much younger I monitored to an extent. As he's grown older, he's earned more privacy, based on positive results of prior privacy.
    Opening posted mail, Don't think he has ever gotten any? But mail is private, and gets respected. If it were addressed to "Parents of:" then of course we open.
    Going though their living area, Only for telling him to clean, and like the police "in plain sight" rules.
    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc. I'm lucky there, kid doesn't really go out. I monitor his time used on phone, and on computer, but not data.
    Monitoring what monies are spent on. He gets an allowance and usually only buys things online through Amazone, wifes account, wo we know from that.

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low?
    Full knowledge and understanding as to why we monitor. I believe if he fully understands why we would do such, he sees it more as us making sure all is cool, instead of it being some form of punishment. My kid may be a tad different though, and maybe from aspergers. He lives and breathes online, mostly playing games on Steam. He's perfect with his homework and grades, mostly. He's never done anything really to lose our trust, or to give us reason to monitor him like a hawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Full knowledge and understanding as to why we monitor. I believe if he fully understands why we would do such, he sees it more as us making sure all is cool, instead of it being some form of punishment. My kid may be a tad different though, and maybe from aspergers. He lives and breathes online, mostly playing games on Steam. He's perfect with his homework and grades, mostly. He's never done anything really to lose our trust, or to give us reason to monitor him like a hawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    You were allowed to procreate? God we ARE doomed now ....
    And I think I may have created a mini-me as well. Sometimes I get SO frustrated with him that I need to just walk away. Maybe come upstairs here and take a deep breath. His way of arguing, and refusing to back down, is a little like his Daddy. Kinda hard to tell the kid he's wrong when he's doing things just like dear old Dad.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    And I think I may have created a mini-me as well. Sometimes I get SO frustrated with him that I need to just walk away. Maybe come upstairs here and take a deep breath. His way of arguing, and refusing to back down, is a little like his Daddy. Kinda hard to tell the kid he's wrong when he's doing things just like dear old Dad.
    Should meet my daughter.

    She just got married again yesterday and as usual, she knows how to pick 'em like I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Saw an interesting discussion about this the other day and thought it was worth posing here as many are/have been parents -

    Where/When does your child privacy end?
    Is it decided by age, or self earning, is it decided by behaviour, or when they leave the home, or is their right to privacy fixed and respected from day dot.

    Common examples;
    Reading phone/online messages,
    Opening posted mail,
    Going though their living area,
    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc.
    Monitoring what monies are spent on.

    Bonus Q - If you do keep such tabs, should it be done with them having full knowledge, or on the down low?
    I've never had a reason to snoop through my children's mail or phone records.

    I do keep tabs on where they go and who they go with. It's better to stop bad behavior before it happens than clean up the mess afterwards. My two oldest are now in college, so things have changed. I've told them I don't bail them out of jail, so be smart about what they're doing.

    I have been known to nose around their rooms if I suspect they aren't being truthful or I'm worried that they've gotten themselves into trouble that they're not telling me about. But this has only happened 2 or 3 times....not to shabby when you consider I have 4 kids. 3 of whom are teenagers right now.

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    Reading phone/online messages: YES - Always maintain authority to check on young teens

    Opening posted mail: For minors yes - might be illegal when older

    Going though their living area: HELL to the YES. Parents who don't do this don't love their kids

    Keeping tabs on where they spend time, who with etc: I have to know the parents of anyone my kids visit regularly or goes out with.

    Monitoring what monies are spent on: Plastic Only - Paper money? Naw.
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