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    Default Public Elementary School Caught Publicly Shaming Students Who Don’t Believe In God

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    Teachers in Swainsboro, Georgia, have settled a lawsuit out of court for forcing their religious beliefs on students and leading their classes in Christian prayer. The teachers humiliated students who did not want to participate, specifically from the “Doe” family, who had children in the first grade and kindergarten. When the children’s parents complained about the unconstitutional violation of the first amendment, the teachers reacted by demeaning the children in front of their classmates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiccanLiberal View Post
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    http://www.occupydemocrats.com/publi...elieve-in-god/

    Teachers in Swainsboro, Georgia, have settled a lawsuit out of court for forcing their religious beliefs on students and leading their classes in Christian prayer. The teachers humiliated students who did not want to participate, specifically from the “Doe” family, who had children in the first grade and kindergarten. When the children’s parents complained about the unconstitutional violation of the first amendment, the teachers reacted by demeaning the children in front of their classmates.
    It's really the Globalists who are giving Christians a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiccanLiberal View Post
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    http://www.occupydemocrats.com/publi...elieve-in-god/

    Teachers in Swainsboro, Georgia, have settled a lawsuit out of court for forcing their religious beliefs on students and leading their classes in Christian prayer. The teachers humiliated students who did not want to participate, specifically from the “Doe” family, who had children in the first grade and kindergarten. When the children’s parents complained about the unconstitutional violation of the first amendment, the teachers reacted by demeaning the children in front of their classmates.
    From the link:

    “teachers have received educational training on their obligations not to promote religious beliefs in their classrooms and the Doe family has been financially compensated for harm they suffered.”

    The school should not force religious beliefs on children, but.... the Doe family sounds like a bunch of whiners to me. The family has been "financially compensated for harm they suffered"? Looks like they took a page right out of the queers' book and demand to get compensated for having their feelings hurt.

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    Jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself, and if someone strikes you, turn the other cheek.
    Oh no, how awful! How harmful!
    I have no problem keeping religious instruction out of public schools. But damages? That's a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    It's really the Globalists who are giving Christians a bad name.
    ^^^^ And ironically, in his infantile sarcasm he finally speaks a truth. --Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    ^^^^ And ironically, in his infantile sarcasm he finally speaks a truth. --Tyr
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    Teachers were wrong in getting others children to pray without permission.
    Much more wrong if "shaming" was involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    It's really the Globalists who are giving Christians a bad name.
    The point of the other thread wasn't about "a bad name" but out right systematic rejection of christian standards ...all standards finally.

    and just the fact that a we've come so far that even the idea of prayer in public school is considered criminal shows just how strong the modern academics and others are.

    was it Christians that got prayer taken out of public schools because children all over were praying too much. the horror.

    Seems M.M. O'hara and the ACLU had something to do with the removal didn't they?
    At the time most parents didn't have any problem with prayers. but the minority here claimed it was to much of a burden to be excused from class prayers.

    well now the Christians students are in the minority and have to deal with various assaults on their faith from teachers, students and curiculum with few to ZERO options to opt out. They have to endure secular anti-Christian teaching and often regurgitate it or not advance.
    But somehow there's no concern for the burden there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Teachers were wrong in getting others children to pray without permission.
    Much more wrong if "shaming" was involved.

    The point of the other thread wasn't about "a bad name" but out right systematic rejection of christian standards ...all standards finally.

    and just the fact that a we've come so far that even the idea of prayer in public school is considered criminal shows just how strong the modern academics and others are.

    was it Christians that got prayer taken out of public schools because children all over were praying too much. the horror.

    Seems M.M. O'hara and the ACLU had something to do with the removal didn't they?
    At the time most parents didn't have any problem with prayers. but the minority here claimed it was to much of a burden to be excused from class prayers.

    well now the Christians students are in the minority and have to deal with various assaults on their faith from teachers, students and curiculum with few to ZERO options to opt out. They have to endure secular anti-Christian teaching and often regurgitate it or not advance.
    But somehow there's no concern for the burden there.
    What anti-Christian teaching is that? And of course I agree that there are individuals and organizations that started the removal. I disagree with the conspiratorial aspects of it.

    And there is also no criminality here, the teachers did many things wrong and they, and unfortunately, the school district are paying for it.
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    I'm guessing shaming happens a lot in public schools, I know for a fact it happened on a regular basis in my local district when my kids were in school. The only reason we heard about this is because there are watchdog groups looking out for Christianity being taught in the schools, if there were groups looking for other offenses not related to Christianity we'd be reading stories about shaming and undermining the authority of parents just about every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    What anti-Christian teaching is that? And of course I agree that there are individuals and organizations that started the removal. I disagree with the conspiratorial aspects of it.

    And there is also no criminality here, the teachers did many things wrong and they, and unfortunately, the school district are paying for it.
    people are saying it's "unconstitutional" for teachers to lead prayer in school, in their minds "unconstitutional" means illegal, criminal.
    Schools have been taken to court for the activity.
    In this case the teacher and school district was let off with a warning.


    concerning conspiracy.
    If a large group of people have a similar mind set and some of them -here and there- get together from time to time to plan various agendas and actions to promote the general themes of that mind set is that conspiracy.

    I don't see it as conspiracy in the sense of twirling mustaches, but conspiracy in the same sense as political parties or trade unions, or shared industry objectives, or evangelism or attempts at market dominance.
    if those are conspiracy thenYES, there is a conspiracy against Christian values and old school rational thinking. With various groups, some in corporate foundations, some like the NEA, some in higher Ed, that share a vision that wants to remove Christian values and old school rational thought and individualist mindsets.

    1973 Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard, had this to say:
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    • "Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It’s up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well – by creating the international child of the future."


    February 10, 1973---In the SATURDAY REVIEW OF EDUCATION, NEA president Catherine Barrett pronounces: Quote:
    "Dramatic changes in the way we will raise our children in the year 2000 are indicated, particularly in terms of schooling.... We will need to recognize that the so-called 'basic skills,' which currently represent yearly the total effort in elementary schools, will be taught in one-quarter of the present school day.... When this happens--and it's near--the teacher can rise to his true calling. More than a dispenser of information, the teacher will be a conveyor of values, a philosopher.... We will be agents of change."

    FJ, There's any number of humanist, atheist, philosophical, academic, legal, and industry organizations that have similar mind sets and dovetailing agendas and projects that have been carried out over the decades mostly OVERTLY but often with subtlety.

    These have been a like a sea of assault on the Christian and rational foundations.
    You may not like the way Tyr frames it but IMO he's essentially correct.

    Your counter to him here is that the "conspiracy" is unreal and that Christianity did far more to lose the culture because of things like there were "to many teachers praying in schools".
    uh, Sorry IMO that's no where CLOSE to the reason why we are in this cultural anti-christian place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    people are saying it's "unconstitutional" for teachers to lead prayer in school, in their minds "unconstitutional" means illegal, criminal.
    Schools have been taken to court for the activity.
    In this case the teacher and school district was let off with a warning.
    While it may be illegal Constitutionally speaking, it is not criminal. Nobody was going to go to jail unless they defied a court order.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    concerning conspiracy.
    If a large group of people have a similar mind set and some of them -here and there- get together from time to time to plan various agendas and actions to promote the general themes of that mind set is that conspiracy.

    I don't see it as conspiracy in the sense of twirling mustaches, but conspiracy in the same sense as political parties or trade unions, or shared industry objectives, or evangelism or attempts at market dominance.
    if those are conspiracy thenYES, there is a conspiracy against Christian values and old school rational thinking. With various groups, some in corporate foundations, some like the NEA, some in higher Ed, that share a vision that wants to remove Christian values and old school rational thought and individualist mindsets.
    That stretches the definition of conspiracy the way it has been presented.

    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    FJ, There's any number of humanist, atheist, philosophical, academic, legal, and industry organizations that have similar mind sets and dovetailing agendas and projects that have been carried out over the decades mostly OVERTLY but often with subtlety.

    These have been a like a sea of assault on the Christian and rational foundations.
    You may not like the way Tyr frames it but IMO he's essentially correct.

    Your counter to him here is that the "conspiracy" is unreal and that Christianity did far more to lose the culture because of things like there were "to many teachers praying in schools".
    uh, Sorry IMO that's no where CLOSE to the reason why we are in this cultural anti-christian place.
    I think I've placed the blame on two aspects, Christians acting in a non-Christian manner along with modern society where the church is not at the center of the community. Globalists didn't create a society where kids are more likely to move away from their homes to the big city when they graduate, get a job, and create their own lives. I'll share your dismay all day in how things are today in society but blaming nameless and faceless entities is not a path to reversing the decline. Sixty years ago a church could merely open its doors and people would walk in and be part of the community which made some churches "uncompetitive" in the marketplace of Christianity. Some churches need to relearn how to advance Christ-like compassion in their local communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
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    I think I've placed the blame on two aspects, Christians acting in a non-Christian manner along with modern society where the church is not at the center of the community. Globalists didn't create a society where kids are more likely to move away from their homes to the big city when they graduate, get a job, and create their own lives. I'll share your dismay all day in how things are today in society but blaming nameless and faceless entities is not a path to reversing the decline. Sixty years ago a church could merely open its doors and people would walk in and be part of the community which made some churches "uncompetitive" in the marketplace of Christianity. Some churches need to relearn how to advance Christ-like compassion in their local communities.
    I'm going to skip the other bits and just comment here.

    I think you miss one of the main points of what's under attack.
    it's not the churches compassion or it's attendance.
    but cultures ideas of what's foundationally TRUE or FALSE. What REAL and what UNREAL.
    What's the basis of freedom, law, morals, rational thought and the universe.

    There are plenty of churches that promote "compassion" and "kindness" but they do so while agreeing with the secular world in nearly every respect socially, philosophically, physiologically, scientifically and historically.
    Leaving what for the churches and the Bible to address FJ?
    Morals?
    When the churches try to point out biblical morals people claim the church is too harsh and/or behind "the times" and finally they say that the churches have NO authority to encourage much less TELL others how to live.. on ANY issue.
    Abortion, sexuality, marriage, divorce, political ethics, businesses ethics, social ethics, WHERE is Biblical morality is to be applied without someone crying foul? Or worse claiming it's "UNKIND" and 'NOT LIKE JESUS'?

    I'd agree that the churches have given up the battles for WHAT IS REALITY here. While somehow wanting to hold onto some vague situationally pliable concepts of love and kindness taught --more or less-- by a man who they honestly consider a provincial middle eastern illegitimate Jewish man who died 2000 years ago. For whom myths arose about his rising from the dead. Myths which supposedly give these churches hope of some kind and compel them to a bit more "love". Heaven and Hell are just concepts of how things are earth. Evangelism is considered "mean". And "kindness and love" are the ONLY things to be taken seriously from the Bible and usually only used against Christians if they don't abide by what secularly MINDED christian and Non-Christians imagine that "love" means. Not what the old dusty book meant by it back in the olden days. The secularized academically astute Christian and generic Non-christian dismissALL aspects of Biblical teaching in favor of modern thought on every issue in every venue and somehow imagine no one's ATTACKED the "main" teachings. while completely forgetting how the old fashion Biblical POV used to be ubiquitous in western culture.

    this is how far it's gone FJ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I'm going to skip the other bits and just comment here.

    I think you miss one of the main points of what's under attack.
    it's not the churches compassion or it's attendance.
    but cultures ideas of what's foundationally TRUE or FALSE. What REAL and what UNREAL.
    What's the basis of freedom, law, morals, rational thought and the universe.

    There are plenty of churches that promote "compassion" and "kindness" but they do so while agreeing with the secular world in nearly every respect socially, philosophically, physiologically, scientifically and historically.
    Leaving what for the churches and the Bible to address FJ?
    Morals?
    When the churches try to point out biblical morals people claim the church is too harsh and/or behind "the times" and finally they say that the churches have NO authority to encourage much less TELL others how to live.. on ANY issue.
    Abortion, sexuality, marriage, divorce, political ethics, businesses ethics, social ethics, WHERE is Biblical morality is to be applied without someone crying foul? Or worse claiming it's "UNKIND" and 'NOT LIKE JESUS'?

    I'd agree that the churches have given up the battles for WHAT IS REALITY here. While somehow wanting to hold onto some vague situationally pliable concepts of love and kindness taught --more or less-- by a man who they honestly consider a provincial middle eastern illegitimate Jewish man who died 2000 years ago. For whom myths arose about his rising from the dead. Myths which supposedly give these churches hope of some kind and compel them to a bit more "love". Heaven and Hell are just concepts of how things are earth. Evangelism is considered "mean". And "kindness and love" are the ONLY things to be taken seriously from the Bible and usually only used against Christians if they don't abide by what secularly MINDED christian and Non-Christians imagine that "love" means. Not what the old dusty book meant by it back in the olden days. The secularized academically astute Christian and generic Non-christian dismissALL aspects of Biblical teaching in favor of modern thought on every issue in every venue and somehow imagine no one's ATTACKED the "main" teachings. while completely forgetting how the old fashion Biblical POV used to be ubiquitous in western culture.

    this is how far it's gone FJ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Holy crap, rev ... why don't you just write a book?
    what i wrote is a rough laymen's attempt at a condensation of a few books into a paragraph or 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    Teachers were wrong in getting others children to pray without permission.
    Much more wrong if "shaming" was involved.

    The point of the other thread wasn't about "a bad name" but out right systematic rejection of christian standards ...all standards finally.

    and just the fact that a we've come so far that even the idea of prayer in public school is considered criminal shows just how strong the modern academics and others are.
    What other thread are you talking about? It looks like an interesting conversation and I'd like to check it out.

    As for this thread though I think you guys are over thinking things. A cultural shift didn't have anything to do with this. The actions of the two teachers never would have been tolerated. I can't remember a time when shaming children and telling them their mother was evil would not have drawn a reaction from the parents and resulted in censure of the teachers.

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