Scientists Theorize the Big Bang may not Have happened

[Abbey Marie]

You want to know what is mythical... the damn bible. But anyway, this thread has gone off the deep end. Say you won, I don't care. I've wasted so much time. I'm out. See ya next time.

The "Damn Bible"? Tsk tsk

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The "Damn Bible"? Tsk tsk

YEP, PETE-- AN ANTI-CHRISTIAN ATTEMPTING TO MAINTAIN THE VALIDITY OF THE BBT,
while denying that it was created to deny that God created the universe.
And do so while even more scientists are publicly admitting that the universe is -designed by a creator--not mere happenstance...-Tyr

[Russ]

Say you won, I don't care.

We won.

[Gunny]

We won.

The loser to say "I don't care" is usually the first loser.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We won.

We did win and it was easy. Science is itself now proving that their is far too much "order" in this universe for it not to be a "design" itself. That mere "happenstance" exploding could never produce such precision and design.
I never got to that point with our little Petey as he raced off to lick his wounds too fast.
And I didn't even start to strain myself, in my brief little go at his idiocy.--Tyr

[Drummond]

We did win and it was easy. Science is itself now proving that their is far too much "order" in this universe for it not to be a "design" itself. That mere "happenstance" exploding could never produce such precision and design.
I never got to that point with our little Petey as he raced off to lick his wounds too fast.
And I didn't even start to strain myself, in my brief little go at his idiocy.--Tyr

I already put the case of 'design' to him. He had no real answer to offer to it. The best he got to trying to refute it was to suggest that a supposedly '99.9% empty' Universe spoke of poor design ... except, of course, this failed to reasonably take into account either Dark Matter, or worse, Dark Energy, both of which are considered to make up most of the Universe, but neither of which can we directly observe.

Not that it's important, either way. Since we're not God, we cannot have His insight into what does or does not constitute good design. Although I daresay that Lefties are arrogant enough to believe that they are the ultimate arbiters of such things ....

[fj1200]

I already put the case of 'design' to him.

There is no case of design in a science question. You can choose to believe it outside the question of what happened.

[revelarts]

There is no case of design in a science question. You can choose to believe it outside the question of what happened.

FJ, there is a case for it, most clearly from 2 scientific povs

From the cosmic scientific POV of why the universe is "fined tuned" for life has been admitted and baffling. the 2 possible solutions are one a multi-verse which does not add up to the known science
or 2 DESIGN by a mind of some sort.

the other is biologically.
where again you have a chicken and scenario. where the INFORMATION embedded in DNA and RNA had to be there 1st to get the processes going. there's ZERO stairwell to get there. you don't accidentally fall uphill while playing mozart on a banjo.
Darwin even admits this.
And more importantly the ONLY source we EVER evidently see in the universe for complex information systems that read and write language is from a MIND. then the clear scientific conclusion is BIOLOGY is based on design.


the ONLY thing that keeps people from the obvious is the fear of admitting God.

[fj1200]

FJ, there is a case for it, most clearly from 2 scientific povs

We've had this discussion before. I don't believe you can write a test for ID. Creation is a matter of faith.

[revelarts]

We've had this discussion before. I don't believe you can write a test for ID. ...

It's already written.
The SETI project scans waves from space looking for patterns that are not random but go beyond simple repetition and form codes. Based on that if they receive a complex coded message then that is the indication of intelligent life.
Coded messages are not natural, by default they have an intelligent source.

[fj1200]

It's already written.
The SETI project scans waves from space looking for patterns that are not random but go beyond simple repetition and form codes. Based on that if they receive a complex coded message then that is the indication of intelligent life.
Coded messages are not natural, by default they have an intelligent source.

That would be a test for intelligent life/design in the universe, it wouldn't be a test for intelligent design of the universe.

[revelarts]

That would be a test for intelligent life/design in the universe, it wouldn't be a test for intelligent design of the universe.

sure it is FJ,
"in" or "of" the Code test applies.

a the coded message by a character in a book,
And code of the printed letters of the page of the book. both are clear evidence of intelligence.

[fj1200]

sure it is FJ,
"in" or "of" the Code test applies.

a the coded message by a character in a book,
And code of the printed letters of the page of the book. both are clear evidence of intelligence.

Intelligence is not the question. Design is the question.

[Drummond]

Intelligence is not the question. Design is the question.

The two are indivisible, though. An intelligent mind must be involved in design. Accept the existence of design, it's only logical to automatically accept that an intelligence is, must be, at work.

A big problem that disbelievers in God have is that they also have to refute any possibility of design in the Universe .. when everything around them positively screams 'DESIGN'.

[revelarts]

Intelligence is not the question. Design is the question.

the source of ALL the codes we SEE are intelligent designers. ALL.
the codes are designs not mathematical, chemical and physics leaping accidents.