Another curbside lawyer bites the dust

[jimnyc]

Comply and give the license, fight in court - and pull away from the police in mere minutes. Turn into a curbside lawyer and think you're smarter than them, and you don't need to comply? You risk arrest and higher fines. Fight with the police and you risk getting shot. And he was WHITE. I have zero sympathy for him.

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<time class="date" datetime="2015-10-17">Uploaded October 17, 2015</time>

The family of a Michigan teen who flashed a car’s brights at a sheriff sergeant’s SUV and wound up dead filed a wrongful death lawsuit Wednesday. A complaint on behalf of slain 17-year-old Deven Guilford accuses Eaton County Sheriff's Sgt. Jonathan Frost of unconstitutional violations of privacy and excessive force in a Feb. 28 traffic stop in the rural central Michigan county

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[NightTrain]

That kid watched too many YouTube vids of people refusing to cooperate with a cop beside the highway.

It looked to me like that cop in this video was professional all the way around. I'd like to see the cop car camera footage to see what happened after the kid got tazed... from the audio it sounds like he got nailed and then counter attacked.

Senseless. If the kid would have just given his license he'd be alive today and could have followed up with a lawsuit if he felt the cop was in the wrong for pulling him over.

I've taught my kids to go with the old "yes sir" and "no sir" respectful responses, do what the cop tells you and if there's a bullshit factor take it to court afterwards. If the cop was wrong, most likely the Judge will see it and make it right. The system has yet to fail me when the cop was wrong, and making a stand beside the highway is the wrong time to make your stand.

[jimnyc]

That kid watched too many YouTube vids of people refusing to cooperate with a cop beside the highway.

It looked to me like that cop in this video was professional all the way around. I'd like to see the cop car camera footage to see what happened after the kid got tazed... from the audio it sounds like he got nailed and then counter attacked.

Senseless. If the kid would have just given his license he'd be alive today and could have followed up with a lawsuit if he felt the cop was in the wrong for pulling him over.

I've taught my kids to go with the old "yes sir" and "no sir" respectful responses, do what the cop tells you and if there's a bullshit factor take it to court afterwards. If the cop was wrong, most likely the Judge will see it and make it right. The system has yet to fail me when the cop was wrong, and making a stand beside the highway is the wrong time to make your stand.

And the cop was right about the headlights too. New lights will be MUCH brighter than most. The kid beamed him and it was a cop, he screwed up. He should have given him the ID. It's possible he walked with a warning. Worst case is he leaves with a ticket - on that he could fight in COURT, where you are supposed to fight, not on the side of the road.

Fight with a cop and lots of shit can go wrong. If the taser isn't working and the perp keeps fighting, and if the cop feels threatened, it's game over.

I love these idiots that think they can tell the cops how to do their jobs on the side of the road, and think they know all the laws, and apparently think they can cite garbage and then walk away without a ticket. Yup, they watch WAY too many youtube videos. Kinda like the idiots that think they don't have to pay taxes for whatever reason.

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[Noir]

teen who flashed a car’s brights at a sheriff sergeant’s SUV

What exactly is the offence?

[jimnyc]

What exactly is the offence?

Probably careless driving or similar... but when the cop comes out of the incident looking like this, things change.

[jimnyc]

And after...

[jimnyc]

I don't know why the kid high beamed the officer. But some do it because they're annoyed, and others do it to warn others about cops up ahead. Here's one site I though interesting, because... (Pennsylvania):

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I often get this question from well-intentioned drivers that want to warn their pals in the oncoming traffic lane that a cop is running radar or a speed trap just ahead. They think that they have to be a "secret squirrel" about flashing their beams like it's Paul Revere warning the village Yanks that "the British are coming." The truth is that there is nothing illegal about flashing your high beams during the daytime. Doing it at night is illegal and poses a risk of harm to oncoming traffic that gets temporarily blinded by your high beams.

Here's what the PA Vehicle Code, 75 Pa.C.S.A. 4306, says about High Beams:

Whenever the driver of a vehicle approaches an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet, the driver must use the low beam of light from the headlights. This requirement must be read in conjunction with statutory language that sets forth the circumstances when motorists are required to use their headlights and limits the use of high beams during the times when headlights must be used (night time). The driver of a vehicle is also required to use low beams whenever approaching another vehicle from the rear within 300 feet. This requirement does not impose a similar requirement to dim headlights when the motorist is passed by another vehicle that then pulls in front of the passed vehicle. The daytime flashing of high beams is not a violation of the Vehicle Code even when used to warn oncoming motorists of the presence of a police radar unit. The Vehicle Code also specifically allows motorists to flash high beams at oncoming vehicles as a warning of roadway emergencies or other dangerous or hazardous conditions ahead.

If you have been pulled over and ticketed for using your high beams improperly, be polite and accept the citation. Never argue with an officer.

http://www.shafferenglecriminalblog....-traffic.shtml

[DLT]

Comply and give the license, fight in court - and pull away from the police in mere minutes. Turn into a curbside lawyer and think you're smarter than them, and you don't need to comply? You risk arrest and higher fines. Fight with the police and you risk getting shot. And he was WHITE. I have zero sympathy for him.

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<time class="date" datetime="2015-10-17">Uploaded October 17, 2015</time>

The family of a Michigan teen who flashed a car’s brights at a sheriff sergeant’s SUV and wound up dead filed a wrongful death lawsuit Wednesday. A complaint on behalf of slain 17-year-old Deven Guilford accuses Eaton County Sheriff's Sgt. Jonathan Frost of unconstitutional violations of privacy and excessive force in a Feb. 28 traffic stop in the rural central Michigan county

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Wait....what? A teen was shot seven times by a cop and it wasn't splashed all over the news 24/7??? Oh wait. He was a white dumbass.

Nevermind.

[DLT]

That kid watched too many YouTube vids of people refusing to cooperate with a cop beside the highway.

It looked to me like that cop in this video was professional all the way around. I'd like to see the cop car camera footage to see what happened after the kid got tazed... from the audio it sounds like he got nailed and then counter attacked.

Senseless. If the kid would have just given his license he'd be alive today and could have followed up with a lawsuit if he felt the cop was in the wrong for pulling him over.

I've taught my kids to go with the old "yes sir" and "no sir" respectful responses, do what the cop tells you and if there's a bullshit factor take it to court afterwards. If the cop was wrong, most likely the Judge will see it and make it right. The system has yet to fail me when the cop was wrong, and making a stand beside the highway is the wrong time to make your stand.

The kid was probably driving without a license and on drugs. Not wise when combined with arguing with a cop.

[jimnyc]

The kid was probably driving without a license and on drugs. Not wise when combined with arguing with a cop.

He did have marijuana in his system, but that could have been from 10 days prior for all I know.

[DLT]

He did have marijuana in his system, but that could have been from 10 days prior for all I know.

It could have been one reason why he 'resisted arrest'. The main reason was sheer stupidity.

[NightTrain]

7 shots sounds pretty excessive, but that cop was getting his ass kicked bigtime, judging from those pics.

100,000 volts must really bring out the Mike Tyson in a smartass motorist!

[jimnyc]

7 shots sounds pretty excessive, but that cop was getting his ass kicked bigtime, judging from those pics.

100,000 volts must really bring out the Mike Tyson in a smartass motorist!

I suppose it all depends on the cop, and specifically what's happening which makes up his frame of mind. If someone is pummeling me (I believe he felt he was going to lose consciousness as well, would have to find an article though), and I felt my life is at risk, I would pull my gun out and empty the clip!

[jimnyc]

Not the same article I was thinking of, but found this on a quick search...

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During the altercation, the two reportedly ended up in a ditch and Guilford was on top of Sgt. Frost. The teen was reportedly punching the officer in the face repeatedly. Sgt. Frost said that he felt blood in his mouth and was worried that he would lose consciousness. He attempted to shoot the teen, but his first round wouldn’t fire. The Sheriff’s sergeant ejected the unfired round and ended up firing seven shots into the teen’s upper body.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2176773/no-...eleased-video/