Now into Syria too...

[jimnyc]

Hopefully the beginning of the end for ISIS, but I don't think the rest of the world will see it that way. I think we need more than an advisory role, as do some other leading countries, IMO.

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U.S. to deploy special forces to Syria in advisory role

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration is expected to announce on Friday a decision to deploy a small number of special operations forces in an advisory role to Syria, U.S. administration and congressional sources said.

One source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the number of special operations forces to be deployed was "tiny" but did not give a number.

The sources said the move reflected a wider strategy of strengthening moderate rebels in Syria even as Washington intensifies its efforts to find a diplomatic solution to end to the four-and-a-half year Syrian civil war.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-deploy-speci...42157547.html#

[Christie Brinkley]

One year on from the strongest air force in the world supposedly going to war with a ragtag terrorist group in one of the most exposed and open environments on the earth and ISIS are still as strong as ever. That in itself is absolute proof that the United States does currently not want to destroy ISIS.

[revelarts]

How about asking our NATO and M.E. allies like Turkey and "good friends" the Saudis to stop the ISIS supply lines?
no U.S. troops necessary.
We've already given and/or sold them BILLIONS in arms, planes and training.

If we actually want to stop ISIS that is.

ISIS supply lines FYI

...ISIS’ supply lines run precisely where Syrian and Iraqi air power cannot go. To the north and into NATO-member Turkey, and to the southwest into US allies Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Beyond these borders exists a logistical network that spans a region including both Eastern Europe and North Africa.Terrorists and weapons left over from NATO’s intervention in Libya in 2011 were promptly sent to Turkey and then onto Syria – coordinated by US State Department officials and intelligence agencies in Benghazi – a terrorist hotbed for decades.The London Telegraph would report in their 2013 article, “CIA ‘running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked’,” that:[CNN] said that a CIA team was working in an annex near the consulate on a project to supply missiles from Libyan armouries to Syrian rebels.
Weapons have also come from Eastern Europe, with the New York Times reporting in 2013 in their article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With Aid From C.I.A.,” that:From offices at secret locations, American intelligence officers have helped the Arab governments shop for weapons, including a large procurement from Croatia, and have vetted rebel commanders and groups to determine who should receive the weapons as they arrive, according to American officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.
And while Western media sources continuously refer to ISIS and other factions operating under the banner of Al Qaeda as “rebels” or “moderates,” it is clear that if billions of dollars in weapons were truly going to “moderates,” they, not ISIS would be dominating the battlefield.Recent revelations have revealed that as early as 2012 the United States Department of Defense not only anticipated the creation of a “Salafist Principality” straddling Syria and Iraq precisely where ISIS now exists, it welcomed it eagerly and contributed to the circumstances required to bring it about.Just How Extensive Are ISIS’ Supply Lines? While many across the West play willfully ignorant as to where ISIS truly gets their supplies from in order to maintain its impressive fighting capacity, some journalists have traveled to the region and have video taped and reported on the endless convoys of trucks supplying the terrorist army.Were these trucks traveling to and from factories in seized ISIS territory deep within Syrian and Iraqi territory? No. They were traveling from deep within Turkey, crossing the Syrian border with absolute impunity, and headed on their way with the implicit protection of nearby Turkish military forces. Attempts by Syria to attack these convoys and the terrorists flowing in with them have been met by Turkish air defenses.Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW) published the first video report from a major Western media outlet illustrating that ISIS is supplied not by “black market oil” or “hostage ransoms” but billions of dollars worth of supplies carried into Syria across NATO member Turkey’s borders via hundreds of trucks a day.

The report titled, “‘IS’ supply channels through Turkey,” confirms what has been reported by geopolitical analysts since at least as early as 2011 – that ISIS subsides on immense, multi-national state sponsorship, including, obviously, Turkey itself.Looking at maps of ISIS-held territory and reading action reports of its offensive maneuvers throughout the region and even beyond, one might imagine hundreds of trucks a day would be required to maintain this level of fighting capacity. One could imagine similar convoys crossing into Iraq from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Similar convoys are likely passing into Syria from Jordan.In all, considering the realities of logistics and their timeless importance to military campaigns throughout human history, there is no other plausible explanation to ISIS’s ability to wage war within Syria and Iraq besides immense resources being channeled to it from abroad.If an army marches on its stomach, and ISIS’ stomachs are full of NATO and Persian Gulf State supplies, ISIS will continue to march long and hard. The key to breaking the back of ISIS, is breaking the back of its supply lines. To do that however, and precisely why the conflict has dragged on for so long, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and others would have to eventually secure the borders and force ISIS to fight within Turkish, Jordanian, and Saudi territory – a difficult scenario to implement as nations like Turkey have created defacto buffer zones within Syrian territory which would require a direct military confrontation with Turkey itself to eliminate.....


http://www.globalresearch.ca/logisti...s-guns/5454726

[jimnyc]

One year on from the strongest air force in the world supposedly going to war with a ragtag terrorist group in one of the most exposed and open environments on the earth and ISIS are still as strong as ever. That in itself is absolute proof that the United States does currently not want to destroy ISIS.

We did NOT go to war with them. We have a leader that sends in sporadic bombings which do little to nothing to stop them as a group. This needs an all out air assault AND boots on the ground now, unfortunately. But for starters, we should be dropping bombs 50x more than we are now and wiping out their routes, communications and supplies. And it of course would be nice if other countries got together as well to help eradicate these scumbags.

[Christie Brinkley]

We did NOT go to war with them. We have a leader that sends in sporadic bombings which do little to nothing to stop them as a group. This needs an all out air assault AND boots on the ground now, unfortunately. But for starters, we should be dropping bombs 50x more than we are now and wiping out their routes, communications and supplies. And it of course would be nice if other countries got together as well to help eradicate these scumbags.

If the United States wanted to destroy them even with an air campaign alone ISIS would of been destroyed by now. It is not Obama it is the whole anglo-american establishment that accepts this.

[jimnyc]

If the United States wanted to destroy them even with an air campaign alone ISIS would of been destroyed by now. It is not Obama it is the whole anglo-american establishment that accepts this.

It's not that simple. They are in and out of towns and in 3 countries that I'm aware of, 2 solidly. While I wouldn't mind if they dropped a few nukes, they won't go that route, nor with non-nuke massive ordinances. What they're doing is patch work. The world starts to get into a bit of a hissy fit the more and more action we take.

[Christie Brinkley]

It's not that simple. They are in and out of towns and in 3 countries that I'm aware of, 2 solidly. While I wouldn't mind if they dropped a few nukes, they won't go that route, nor with non-nuke massive ordinances. What they're doing is patch work. The world starts to get into a bit of a hissy fit the more and more action we take.

This is not Vietnam where you simply drop as many bombs to inflict the most damage, we live in an age of laser guided missiles and drones. The middle east is one of the most watched places by air on the earth I think by now the United States would of gathered enough intelligence to cripple ISIS by destroying its command and supply capabilities. They know where they are, they simply won't bomb them.

[hjmick]

Hopefully the beginning of the end for ISIS, but I don't think the rest of the world will see it that way. I think we need more than an advisory role, as do some other leading countries, IMO.

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U.S. to deploy special forces to Syria in advisory role



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration is expected to announce on Friday a decision to deploy a small number of special operations forces in an advisory role to Syria, U.S. administration and congressional sources said.

One source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the number of special operations forces to be deployed was "tiny" but did not give a number.

The sources said the move reflected a wider strategy of strengthening moderate rebels in Syria even as Washington intensifies its efforts to find a diplomatic solution to end to the four-and-a-half year Syrian civil war.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-deploy-speci...42157547.html#

Gosh... Seems like I remember another instance where we sent troops into a civil war as "advisors..."

Hmm... When was that...?

Where was that...

[Christie Brinkley]

Gosh... Seems like a remember another instance where we sent troops into a civil war as "advisors..."

Hmm... When was that...?

Where was that...

At least back in Vietnam they were actually trying to destroy the enemy!

[jimnyc]

This is not Vietnam where you simply drop as many bombs to inflict the most damage, we live in an age of laser guided missiles and drones. The middle east is one of the most watched places by air on the earth I think by now the United States would of gathered enough intelligence to cripple ISIS by destroying its command and supply capabilities. They know where they are, they simply won't bomb them.

Doesn't Russia have the same technology? Why yes, they do! And you say they are only there for ISIS - how much have they crippled ISIS so far?

You can laser guide buildings and such, but that doesn't help you find the folks, nor differentiate between thousands of them and thousands of civilians.

[jimnyc]

They know where they are, they simply won't bomb them.

Oh, so why doesn't Russia bomb them then? Or are you saying that the US is the only country capable of good intel? I didn't realize that Russia sucked so much and was so far behind us in the technology department.

[Christie Brinkley]

Oh, so why doesn't Russia bomb them then? Or are you saying that the US is the only country capable of good intel? I didn't realize that Russia sucked so much and was so far behind us in the technology department.

Russia is bombing them and it is having results in pushing the terrorists back. Over 1,600 terrorist targets have been hit in one month...
Compared to the United States bombing (empty buildings) in October they only dropped 84 bombs, 2.8 bombs a day...

[Christie Brinkley]

Doesn't Russia have the same technology? Why yes, they do! And you say they are only there for ISIS - how much have they crippled ISIS so far?

You can laser guide buildings and such, but that doesn't help you find the folks, nor differentiate between thousands of them and thousands of civilians.

In some aspects it has better equipment, they have only been at it for 1 month bombing terrorists and they have turned the tide of the war. In the major towns and cities in terrorist held areas there are very few civilians still there.

[jimnyc]

Russia is bombing them and it is having results in pushing the terrorists back. Over 1,600 terrorist targets have been hit in one month...
Compared to the United States bombing (empty buildings) in October they only dropped 84 bombs, 2.8 bombs a day...

But you made it sound as if it were easy, that the US could go in and get rid of them easily. Russia only got 1600 of them?

We made more than that 84 bombs you state - in september of 2014 alone, and that was a year ago, so I think your link is for crap. Your own papers show more than that for one month last year...


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http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...raq-obama-isis

[jimnyc]

In some aspects it has better equipment, they have only been at it for 1 month bombing terrorists and they have turned the tide of the war. In the major towns and cities in terrorist held areas there are very few civilians still there.

Turned the tide of the war? Are you kidding me? Sorry, but 1600 of ISIS would be about 10% maximum of ISIS.

How far into Iraq is Russia at this point? How many of ISIS have they killed in Iraq?