Teddy had it right...

[Gunny]

The UK is fast becoming 'a country of immigrants' itself, never more so than in recent years. Why ? Because our LEFTIES made sure of it.

The beliefs and attitudes you are displaying, FJ, strongly resemble those which our more 'liberal' people on this side of the Pond would identify with. Such attitudes facilitate the erosive effect such immigration has.

But here's the difference - America, regardless of your 'country of immigrants' argument, nonetheless has its Constitution, and still, nonetheless, created its own national identity. Roosevelt wanted that preserved, obviously, and his mindset, properly applied, worked towards that reality. But unrestrained tolerance of immigration, and insistence that it becomes the norm, MURDERS that identity.

Roosevelt obviously understood that, and as a true patriot, stood up for his own country AS ITS OWN COUNTRY. Your own country, today, and most certainly my own, could do with a lot more of this in their political lives.

We are ALL from immigrants. That isn't the issue with me. English people are mostly Euro/French. Scots and Irish are Nordic. Your country and mine seem to have an affinity for being invaded from within by our own stupid rules.

[fj1200]

Could y'all not turn everything into a pissing contest please?

The intellectually weak are unable to discuss topics so they have to discuss people.

fj misses details like you just gave...

Au contraire. I didn't miss those details, I embraced those details because they reinforce my point.

You say -he talked about these groups and not these.
When he talked about immigrants= new arrivals

I don't say he talked about any specific groups, I'm pointing out facts of what happened in immigration acts that occurred after his letter. Also, where did I suggest that immigrants were not new arrivals? Nevertheless there was little truth in his words as I've shown because immigrants did assimilate into American society; are you suggesting that they did not? You could address that or you could continue to rant.

The UK is fast becoming 'a country of immigrants' itself...

The topic is early 1900's America and the fact that we are and were a country of immigrants. Your xenophobia is another thread. Do you believe that all immigration is "leftie"? The history of the United States proves otherwise.

[fj1200]

We are ALL from immigrants. That isn't the issue with me. English people are mostly Euro/French. Scots and Irish are Nordic. Your country and mine seem to have an affinity for being invaded from within by our own stupid rules.

Amen to that.

[Drummond]

The topic is early 1900's America and the fact that we are and were a country of immigrants. Your xenophobia is another thread. Do you believe that all immigration is "leftie"? The history of the United States proves otherwise.

Ahem .. no. The topic centred around Roosevelt's position in regard to immigration, and the importance, certainly as he saw it, of immigrants being definably AMERICAN in their loyalties and attitudes. Check back to the first post of this thread.

My answer, though not being very grounded in the period Roosevelt covered, nonetheless spoke to the topic of immigration's effects, and was pertinent. YOU, on the other hand, are keeping this focused on a more general issue of immigration itself, which keeps you more in line with a Left-wing consideration of immigration.

A paragraph from my previous post (.. don't forget to rewrite it, if or when you reply), said:

But here's the difference - America, regardless of your 'country of immigrants' argument, nonetheless has its Constitution, and still, nonetheless, created its own national identity. Roosevelt wanted that preserved, obviously, and his mindset, properly applied, worked towards that reality. But unrestrained tolerance of immigration, and insistence that it becomes the norm, MURDERS that identity.

What you Leftily label as 'xenophobic', is sheer FACT. I've seen it in my country, where unparalleled immigration has resulted in ghetto-like sub-communities springing up, of immigrants having no interest in integration. Roosevelt, even when he was speaking, addressed the need to retain national identity. It isn't 'xenophobic' to have concerns which address that .. though, THE LEFT will happily demonise in that fashion.

[fj1200]

Ahem .. no. The topic centred around Roosevelt's position in regard to immigration, and the importance, certainly as he saw it, of immigrants being definably AMERICAN in their loyalties and attitudes. Check back to the first post of this thread.

You can't ignore context especially when it shows your error. His quote is from early 1900's America and needs to be read in context of that.

It is interesting to see you speaking out in favor of an early progressive though.

[Abbey Marie]

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I don't say he talked about any specific groups, I'm pointing out facts of what happened in immigration acts that occurred after his letter. Also, where did I suggest that immigrants were not new arrivals? Nevertheless there was little truth in his words as I've shown because immigrants did assimilate into American society; are you suggesting that they did not? You could address that or you could continue to rant.
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But, in Post #8, you said the Italians did not assimilate, or learn English, and still fly the Italian flag.

[fj1200]

But, in Post #8, you said the Italians did not assimilate, or learn English, and still fly the Italian flag.

Sarcasm.

[Abbey Marie]

Sarcasm.

I actually thought so, but I had to check.

[jimnyc]

Sarcasm.

Don't worry, I saw that it was sarcasm and playing gotcha - or you could have just been direct with me in your questioning, or made a statement - but you were hoping I would say something so that you could pounce. It didn't work out that way though. His words rung true back then and now. And the Italians did in fact assimilate. The point about assimilation and language and such should have held true from the beginning, did - and still should now.

[fj1200]

Don't worry, I saw that it was sarcasm and playing gotcha...

The Socratic Method is not a game of gotcha. It's serious business.

[jimnyc]

The Socratic Method is not a game of gotcha. It's serious business.

That's what I tell the asshole who gives me my order at window #2 at Mcdonalds. This is a serious business for them, and my serious dinner. Yet, sadly, their business fails and yet still makes money. And I sadly eat less and get anxiety to go along with my meals.