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    Default Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down


    Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down



    Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday said its forces had wiped out Syrian rebel groups operating in the area where one of its jets was brought down, unleashing a huge bombardment after rescuing a pilot.

    "As soon as our pilot was safe, Russian bombers and artillery of the Syrian government forces carried out massive strikes in the indicated area for an extended period," military official Igor Konashenkov told Russian news agencies.

    "The terrorists operating in that area and other mysterious groups were destroyed," he said.

    Konashenkov added that the Russian strikes helped Syrian ground forces take control of the mountainous area in the north of the Latakia province.

    Turkey on Tuesday shot down a Russian jet in northern Syria alleging that it had crossed over into its air space and sparking a war of words with Moscow.

    One pilot that parachuted out was later rescued by Russian and Syrian special forces, while a second pilot from the jet and a soldier sent to rescue him were killed by rebels on the ground.

    The defence ministry said Thursday that it had deployed its advanced S-400 air defence system at the Russian airbase in Syria to ensure the security of its warplanes, which have been bombing the war-torn country since September 30.

    Konashenkov said that over the past three days its jets carried out 134 combat sorties over the war-torn country and struck 449 targets in the Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqa and Deir Ezzor provinces.


    Bravo!!!!! Please do kill more of the murdering muslim vermin....

    See that, thats how you truly hit an enemy, not the lying fake shat the obama has been running and fooling this nation with. -Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Russia says 'destroyed' Syria rebels in area where jet brought down



    Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday said its forces had wiped out Syrian rebel groups operating in the area where one of its jets was brought down, unleashing a huge bombardment after rescuing a pilot.

    "As soon as our pilot was safe, Russian bombers and artillery of the Syrian government forces carried out massive strikes in the indicated area for an extended period," military official Igor Konashenkov told Russian news agencies.

    "The terrorists operating in that area and other mysterious groups were destroyed," he said.

    Konashenkov added that the Russian strikes helped Syrian ground forces take control of the mountainous area in the north of the Latakia province.

    Turkey on Tuesday shot down a Russian jet in northern Syria alleging that it had crossed over into its air space and sparking a war of words with Moscow.

    One pilot that parachuted out was later rescued by Russian and Syrian special forces, while a second pilot from the jet and a soldier sent to rescue him were killed by rebels on the ground.

    The defence ministry said Thursday that it had deployed its advanced S-400 air defence system at the Russian airbase in Syria to ensure the security of its warplanes, which have been bombing the war-torn country since September 30.

    Konashenkov said that over the past three days its jets carried out 134 combat sorties over the war-torn country and struck 449 targets in the Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqa and Deir Ezzor provinces.


    Bravo!!!!! Please do kill more of the murdering muslim vermin....

    See that, thats how you truly hit an enemy, not the lying fake shat the obama has been running and fooling this nation with. -Tyr
    Naturally, I'm all for this.

    However, toleration of unbidden and unsanctioned invasions of NATO territory shouldn't also be a part of the package !

    Russia is busily following its own agenda. ITS OWN agenda. This needs to be remembered.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Naturally, I'm all for this.

    However, toleration of unbidden and unsanctioned invasions of NATO territory shouldn't also be a part of the package !

    Russia is busily following its own agenda. ITS OWN agenda. This needs to be remembered.
    Seems like it ought to be everyone's agenda to rid the world of this vermin, if our President would rather stir the racial pot at home, than Kudos to a leader that actually leads, and leads to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    Seems like it ought to be everyone's agenda to rid the world of this vermin, if our President would rather stir the racial pot at home, than Kudos to a leader that actually leads, and leads to win.
    ...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

    But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

    What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

    I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    ...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

    But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

    What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

    I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.

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    Then the socialists (Liberals) who approved it messed up bad (and to stupid to realize it)......Like they are doing all over Europe Appeasing muslims thinking they can be part of humanity....and we all see where it got them...I know you see that....It is what it is Socialist / Liberal stupidity....

    *Muslims in NATO? what a Joke.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    ...and, broadly speaking, I agree.

    But does this mean that, 'for the duration', Russia can take liberties against NATO security ? Whatever your view on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO, and the jet did violate NATO airspace .. AND completely ignored Turkey telling them to stop.

    What if Russia said, OK, we have the power to rid the world of ISIS, and make the West measurably more secure against Islamic terrorism. Would that, then, in return, entitle them to say that, in 'payment', a NATO territory of their choice should cease to expect any rights or protections written into the very fabric of what NATO exists to defend ?

    I for one am not 'into' paying Mafia-like protection fees. You don't dispense with principle because a rival power just wants to flex its military muscle in a manner you just happen to like at the time.
    Those are two separate issues my friend. Russia hitting ISIS and the provocative way they've always tested air space . They've only been doing the provocative air space testing for 50+ years now.....
    The ISIS hitting does the entire world a favor.. And gives me such great cheer!--Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTermGuy View Post
    **************************************

    ~ "Whatever your <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">view</nobr> on Turkey, they ARE a part of NATO" ~


    Then the socialists (Liberals) who approved it messed up bad (and to stupid to realize it)......Like they are doing all over Europe Appeasing muslims thinking they can be part of humanity....and we all see where it got them...I know you see that....It is what it is Socialist / Liberal stupidity....

    *Muslims in NATO? what a Joke.....

    I agree.

    Turkey's location has strategic importance .. it has had, certainly ever since the days of the Cuban missile crisis, back in '62, I believe. Other than that, I can't think of any good reason for Turkey being in NATO.

    This doesn't change the fact that they are, and so have every right to expect what comes with such membership. I'd have thought this includes support for the obvious principle that NATO airspace must NOT be violated by a rival power !

    Anyone caring to argue otherwise, might care to supply a list of 'second class' territories who are somehow not deserving of the rights which membership of NATO confers.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Those are two separate issues my friend. Russia hitting ISIS and the provocative way they've always tested air space . They've only been doing the provocative air space testing for 50+ years now.....
    As long as that, Tyr ?

    Then isn't it about time that they STOPPED ???

    The ISIS hitting does the entire world a favor.. And gives me such great cheer!--Tyr
    Likewise, Tyr. I'm fully on board on that. Just not so completely so, that I'm prepared to look the other way when they act in a manner NOT consistent with that of an ally.

    Russia violated Turkish, therefore NATO, airspace. They've lied about it subsequently. They're even intent upon punishing a NATO member, for acting to protect their territory.

    Does NATO accept that its members should receive punishment for defending themselves from unbidden, unauthorised incursions ?

    Aggressors do not respect weakness, Tyr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    As long as that, Tyr ?

    Then isn't it about time that they STOPPED ???



    Likewise, Tyr. I'm fully on board on that. Just not so completely so, that I'm prepared to look the other way when they act in a manner NOT consistent with that of an ally.

    Russia violated Turkish, therefore NATO, airspace. They've lied about it subsequently. They're even intent upon punishing a NATO member, for acting to protect their territory.

    Does NATO accept that its members should receive punishment for defending themselves from unbidden, unauthorised incursions ?

    Aggressors do not respect weakness, Tyr.
    Well now Drummond, we all know they are a bunch of communist bastards but to see them pound ISIS is a good thing, as far as anything past that, they are still a bunch of communist.
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    Default Turkey warns Putin not to ‘play with fire’

    And this shows me that the leader's of Turkey aren't the brightest bunch either. Yup they are telling Russia not to play with fire.


    Turkey is a special kind of stupid. They are trying to cause a war. This will split up NATO and Turkey will be on its own in a battle that they don’t stand a chance in.


    Check it out:
    Turkey’s president Tayyip Erdogan on Friday warned Vladimir Putin not to “play with fire” as their war of words continued to escalate over the downing of a jet.
    In a speech broadcast live on television, Erdogan added he does not want to harm relations with Moscow and hopes to meet the Russian President at a climate conference in Paris next week, Reuters reported.

    http://conservativebyte.com/2015/11/...lay-with-fire/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    I agree.

    Turkey's location has strategic importance .. it has had, certainly ever since the days of the Cuban missile crisis, back in '62, I believe. Other than that, I can't think of any good reason for Turkey being in NATO.

    This doesn't change the fact that they are, and so have every right to expect what comes with such membership. I'd have thought this includes support for the obvious principle that NATO airspace must NOT be violated by a rival power !

    Anyone caring to argue otherwise, might care to supply a list of 'second class' territories who are somehow not deserving of the rights which membership of NATO confers.
    Turkey is part of NATO in its own self-interest. They have been since the beginning of the Cold War. It was also in OUR interest to have listening posts right next door to Russia. It is strategically important because it bridges Asia and Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    Well now Drummond, we all know they are a bunch of communist bastards but to see them pound ISIS is a good thing, as far as anything past that, they are still a bunch of communist.
    ... and still a potential enemy. And, if they're not, well ... then, there shouldn't be any possibility of their being caught up in any actions suggesting otherwise. Should there ?

    Russia and the West have common cause in seeing ISIS smashed. I ask: will that be the end of the story, and the full extent of Russia's ambitions ?

    I suppose time will tell on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    ... and still a potential enemy. And, if they're not, well ... then, there shouldn't be any possibility of their being caught up in any actions suggesting otherwise. Should there ?

    Russia and the West have common cause in seeing ISIS smashed. I ask: will that be the end of the story, and the full extent of Russia's ambitions ?

    I suppose time will tell on that one.
    Russia has ALWAYS been hostile to us. Tsarist Russia was pulling crap on us in the 1800s. Doesn't matter what they call themselves nor what government is in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    And this shows me that the leader's of Turkey aren't the brightest bunch either. Yup they are telling Russia not to play with fire.




    http://conservativebyte.com/2015/11/...lay-with-fire/
    But aren't they making some degree of sense ? Turkey doesn't simply stand on its own authority on this. As a NATO member, they've recourse to officially get NATO involved in the matter of violation of NATO territory ! That they haven't made such official moves yet, doesn't mean that they're incapable of it. Should NATO, in that scenario, not support Turkey .. that, too, brings its own consequences.

    Russia is the aggressor in all this - there surely can't be any doubt of it.

    Russia having passed its flight INTENTIONS across to the US, isn't the same as saying that this is what they DID, on the day. What they 'did', according to Russia, was (a) never threaten Turkish airspace with an incursion, (b) were NOT subjected to any warning broadcasts from Turkey, and (c) had a plane shot down for no good reason.

    Putin says he can prove that no straying into NATO airspace ever happened. But WHERE IS that proof ?

    As for Turkey, they've provided clear evidence of multiple warnings having been transmitted to the plane. And as this link will show, there's independent confirmation of those broadcasts:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/24/turke...an-border.html


    A U.S. military spokesperson confirmed later that Turkey had warned the Russian pilots repeatedly before it was shot down, and had received no response.
    Either that's true, or it isn't. The Russian position has been to deny that transmissions were ever made. Do we 'believe' the Russians, out of a need for diplomatic and operational expediency, or, should the TRUTH count for something ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Russia has ALWAYS been hostile to us. Tsarist Russia was pulling crap on us in the 1800s. Doesn't matter what they call themselves nor what government is in power.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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