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    Default Who's to blame for shooting at CO Planned Parenthood

    The head of the Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic where a gunman killed three people and injured nine others said in a statement Saturday that the man held anti-abortion views.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/29/lynch-calls-planned-parenthood-shooting-crime-against-women/
    After months of verbal assault against Planned Parenthood and against women more broadly, Republican Christianists have gotten what they were asking for—bloodshed. On November 27, a mass shooting left three dead and nine wounded at a Planned Parenthood clinic just miles from the headquarters of the Religious Right flagship, Focus on the Family. Was the shooting exactly what conservative Christian presidential candidates and members of congress wanted? Maybe, maybe not. But it is what they asked for. Republican members of the Religious Right incited violence as predictably as if they had issued a call for Christian abortion foes to take up arms. Inciting violence this way is called stochastic terrorism:
    “Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.”....

    http://valerietarico.com/2015/11/28/christianist-republicans-systematically-incited-colorado-clinic-assault/


    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    No one said he was the cause, asshole. People are saying that him and others are increasing racial tensions around the nation and those tensions lead to shootings and such. Of course those pulling triggers are responsible for their actions. But IMO, the race baiters like Obama are creating an environment where the racists are thriving.Perhaps in your mirror is a piece of shit that thinks she is better than others, when in reality, she is no more than a glorified piece of shit. Get over yourself, scumbag. You FOREVER want to imply that you and your family are somehow better than others here. That everyone here is rednecks and racists. You're judging us based solely on this board and what we write. I judge you solely by this board and what you write - and you are a flaming fucking asshole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    I expected something like this to happen. Obama has divided the country like no time since the Civil War
    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Yups. The actions are obviously wrong, but not surprising in the slightest bit. Some of the race baiters are almost as wrong here as the scumbags with the guns.
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    Yeah because leaders have no impact whatsoever on a nation's attitudes and behaviors.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Do you agree that people can be whipped into a frenzy by a spoken word? That the spoken word can pour gasoline on a situation?
    As for Jim's points, Hitler's father used to beat him unconscious. Hitler is responsible for his crimes 100 percent. But his father created a monster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Obama and his race pimps have created this environment. And it will continue to get worse.

    Pointing out crimes, moral offenses, and various abuses of people or a group is one thing. But directly calling for violence or vigilantly acts is another.
    But the poor deluded slob is the only one that will be on trail and rightly so.

    Any Pro-Lifers calling for dead abortion docs are wrong.
    Any Black lives matters folks calling for dead cops are wrong.
    But you can't honestly blame the majority responsible Pro-Lifers or reasonable Black Live Matter supporters for the threatening words of the radicals or the actions of those that commit violent acts in the name of whatever cause.
    The fact is some issues are by nature extreme. I think few would argue that infanticide and the line moving backwards from there is clear. and at some point for everyone it's murder. to make a POV clear sometime harsh words are used. It's legit no matter how it makes opponents feel. I think few would debate that on occasion some police have wrongfully killed innocent people. At some point calling that murder is not just extreme rhetoric but it's the name of the charges LEOs have gone to jail for.
    To point these offenses out using language less than murder may be polite but it's not doing damage to the truth to use the harshest terms to emphasize the crime. Whether or not those talking points stir something in a fringe to retaliate personally rather than use all the non-violent and legal means available is finally up to that person.

    All of the over-hyped blame laying after the fact is often just used as a whip against the other side. It seems not so much because either side really cares that much about the dead. Or take the responsibility for the deaths very seriously since all sides will wake up in the morning and continue to use the the same harsh/clear language against each other and their positions.
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    The shooter would be to blame for the shooting.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Exactly.
    The man doing the shooting is to blame.

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    yep.


    and could someone correct the title here to "Who's" to blame... instead of "whose"? thanks
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    Whose to blame for shooting at CO Planned Parenthood


    The guy who pulled the trigger, as always.

    Anything else you need help with?
    "The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    yep.


    and could someone correct the title here to "Who's" to blame... instead of "whose"? thanks
    done
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Primarily the shooter and secondarily Planned Parenthood. You do something barbaric over and over and over again, someone is going to react. Nice try revs. I do appreciate the effort.

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    The shooter
    Gun nuts as a whole
    Republicans
    Crazy white people

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
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    Gun nuts as a whole
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    You forgot to blame GW Bush for something. Are you having an 'off' day .. ?
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    The shooter
    Gun nuts as a whole
    Republicans
    Crazy white people
    I can actually agree with the other 3 things. The shooter is obviously wrong. Gun nuts, someone who is "nuts" and then kills people (at least my definition), are more than wrong. Crazy "white" people? Why not just crazy people in general? And republicans - there goes the trolling, couldn't even make 4 lines.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    BTW, a lot of people believe that killing an unborn baby is no different from murder.

    This guy might have thought that, since the authorities were failing in their basic duty to protect lives, he would take the law into his own hands, or something.

    How his murdering innocent people does that... well, it doesn't, obviously. He's nothing more than a simple murderer. And doing it for the political purposes he apparently had, makes it terrorism. He deserves to be tried for multiple 1st degree murder, and if convicted, to get the Death Penalty, as all terrorists deserve.

    But... the fact remains that there's a colorable argument to be made, that abortion is no different from murder. If someone kills a pregnant woman, and her baby in the womb dies too, he is often charged with two counts of murder. Killing just the baby while leaving the mother alive, reduces it to one count, but doesn't change the nature of the act.

    And when you have thousands of murders going on, and the authorities do nothing (or even support the acts), don't be surprised if a lot of people get pissed off. That doesn't give them license to go around murdering innocent people - those who do that are no better than the people killing the baby in the womb.

    But if you piss off large numbers (millions) of people by something that could well be murder (and is often treated that way legally), chances are you'll find a few whackos like this guy who do start shooting. He's a murderer, but his rage is at least understandable, though his actions are inexcusable and must be punished.

    You're looking for "whose[sic] to blame for the shootings"? The guy who pulled the trigger, of course.

    But maybe if Planned Parenthood wasn't killing thousands of babies in the womb while the authorities (whose job it is to protect life) stand by and do nothing... this murderous nutcase wouldn't have started shooting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    You forgot to blame GW Bush for something. Are you having an 'off' day .. ?
    Either Republicans includes W or her coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

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    anyone care to ask the question who's to blame for terrorism?
    is it all of islam?
    all muslims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    The shooter
    Gun nuts as a whole
    Republicans
    Crazy white people
    No such thing as a "gun nut". And you will find that gun enthusiasts are NOT the ones that commit murder. Doesn't work well with your drama, but it's true. These murderers are murderers, and probably know about as much about guns as you do.

    Same old story from the left. Blame the tool, not the user. That gun didn't hop off the table and go kill anyone. That gun is not a member of a political party. And white people commit far less murders in the US than niggers and wetbacks. We don't go driving down a street firing indiscriminately into houses killing children trying to be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    anyone care to ask the question who's to blame for terrorism?
    is it all of islam?
    all muslims?
    Sayyid Qutb, the Qur'an, Osama bin laden, Dr zawahiri.

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