Ten Years After

[jimnyc]

You're both right.

There are racists of all races. Some because of wrongs actually done to them, that they've generalized onto all member of that race-perhaps with an 'exception or two' that they feel are exceptions. Some because they've been taught to hate a group or groups.

Of course it's from all races, I just believe that some are a little more taboo than others to discuss freely. And many are taught, from both sides, and many just learn it, from both sides over time. I agree that there are blacks that hate whites with some serious venom, that's obvious. I just don't think it's all of them, not even remotely close to that.

[Kathianne]

Of course it's from all races, I just believe that some are a little more taboo than others to discuss freely. And many are taught, from both sides, and many just learn it, from both sides over time. I agree that there are blacks that hate whites with some serious venom, that's obvious. I just don't think it's all of them, not even remotely close to that.

I've never had a problem discussing freely. Some folks hate vehemently-tear it all down, kill them, what have you. Others are just uncomfortable with those 'outside' of what they find comfortable. Some harbor hate in their hearts-reminds me of Carter's lust.

I think most people just want to go about their business, living freely. I agree that their are folks that if they see a member of 'another race' they want to do 'something.' That to me is vehement and dangerous. Mostly those people are not ok in any aspect of living.

[jimnyc]

I've never had a problem discussing freely. Some folks hate vehemently-tear it all down, kill them, what have you. Others are just uncomfortable with those 'outside' of what they find comfortable. Some harbor hate in their hearts-reminds me of Carter's lust.

I think most people just want to go about their business, living freely. I agree that their are folks that if they see a member of 'another race' they want to do 'something.' That to me is vehement and dangerous. Mostly those people are not ok in any aspect of living.

That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.

[Black Diamond]

That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.

I will remember this post nect February when it's black history month, the next time the black caucus meets, the next time I see a billboard for the united negro college fund, etc.

[Black Diamond]

I will remember this post nect February when it's black history month, the next time the black caucus meets, the next time I see a billboard for the united negro college fund, etc.

And how could I forget black lives matter?

[jimnyc]

And how could I forget black lives matter?

Maybe you were too busy looking into the 10x more lives that were snuffed out, while they protested about violence while being violent?

[fj1200]

That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.

If you constantly point out race and believe that blacks are more likely to engage in that sort of behavior because of their race then you're a racist.

[jimnyc]

If you constantly point out race and believe that blacks are more likely to engage in that sort of behavior because of their race then you're a racist.

You say that same thing pretty much every time - always instantly saying that "if it's because of their race" - when I never said any such thing, and it always revolves around SOLELY posting stats. And then not long after being labeled a racist. Hell, look at you for starters - without me even saying so, you kind of lean in with the "well, if you say it's because of race..." - already kind of hinting. I'm NOT saying you call me a racist, but that's clearly how it starts, but starting in with comments and such that one never stated.

And I DID state that it comes from BOTH sides. It's just that one is more taboo. You will often hear people saying stuff like "you would never say that in a black neighborhood". Today, we see blacks all over and have no fear whatsoever of jumping on whites. Whether that be in public, in music, social media... But if you're white and dare utter the N word in public just once, see the difference in how it's handled. If you're white, and release a song that has lyrics talking smack about black people, see how well that goes over!

[fj1200]

You say that same thing pretty much every time - always instantly saying that "if it's because of their race" - when I never said any such thing, and it always revolves around SOLELY posting stats. And then not long after being labeled a racist. Hell, look at you for starters - without me even saying so, you kind of lean in with the "well, if you say it's because of race..." - already kind of hinting. I'm NOT saying you call me a racist, but that's clearly how it starts, but starting in with comments and such that one never stated.

And I DID state that it comes from BOTH sides. It's just that one is more taboo. You will often hear people saying stuff like "you would never say that in a black neighborhood". Today, we see blacks all over and have no fear whatsoever of jumping on whites. Whether that be in public, in music, social media... But if you're white and dare utter the N word in public just once, see the difference in how it's handled. If you're white, and release a song that has lyrics talking smack about black people, see how well that goes over!

Racism has a definition. If you want to include "hate" in the definition then the number of racists just went up an order or two of magnitude. So many times I hear that "blacks are racist, they hate whites" by someone who might insist that they are not racist when they've just defined themselves as one by the statement they've made.

The reason that I use "if" is because racism is a belief. I can't look at someone walking down the street and call them a racist (unless they're wearing a t-shirt) but I can suspect someone is by what they say. It's perfectly acceptable to quote DOJ stats and discuss solutions but you need to be careful when defining the problem. If all you see is someone's color then that will determine what you see as a solution which would likely be wrong; if you can look deeper into the statistics, as I've posted before, then you'll see a better solution.

[jimnyc]

Racism has a definition. If you want to include "hate" in the definition then the number of racists just went up an order or two of magnitude. So many times I hear that "blacks are racist, they hate whites" by someone who might insist that they are not racist when they've just defined themselves as one by the statement they've made.

The reason that I use "if" is because racism is a belief. I can't look at someone walking down the street and call them a racist (unless they're wearing a t-shirt) but I can suspect someone is by what they say. It's perfectly acceptable to quote DOJ stats and discuss solutions but you need to be careful when defining the problem. If all you see is someone's color then that will determine what you see as a solution which would likely be wrong; if you can look deeper into the statistics, as I've posted before, then you'll see a better solution.

I'm not going to argue for the sake of it, nor about the word if. I simply stated that there are in fact blacks out there that hate white folks with a venom. I further stated that you have whites that are the same. I added in that I believe it's kinda taboo to discuss some issues about the blacks though.

I defined nothing. Again, I'm talking about simply posting a list of stats, and already being declared a racist for doing so. Don't make it more confusing and be and advocate for things I haven't brought up or stated.

Oh, and "if all you see is someone's color" - again trying to make it sound as if someone said that, or that I did, and making it sound racist. But I never said anything like that. But I am glad that you wrote that, as it's a great example of what happens. But I know, you said IF all you say

[Kathianne]

That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.

I'll stay generic. I've never denied where different races fall in crime stats or college grad rates or any of the economic issues that are frequently broken down by races.

Stats by themselves are but a starting point. First are they good or not. Assuming they are good, what are the factors leading to significant deviations between groups, of which race is but one.

[jimnyc]

I'll stay generic. I've never denied where different races fall in crime stats or college grad rates or any of the economic issues that are frequently broken down by races.

Stats by themselves are but a starting point. First are they good or not. Assuming they are good, what are the factors leading to significant deviations between groups, of which race is but one.

Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.

[Kathianne]

Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.

Nature or nurture?

[jimnyc]

Nature or nurture?

I didn't say anything about either? But regardless, I find NO excuse in this world for someone to rape another person, for example. I don't care if they were raised an nurtured as such or whatever. Unless they are mentally retarded and have no clue about laws in this world.

[fj1200]

Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.

Incorrect.