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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Of course it's from all races, I just believe that some are a little more taboo than others to discuss freely. And many are taught, from both sides, and many just learn it, from both sides over time. I agree that there are blacks that hate whites with some serious venom, that's obvious. I just don't think it's all of them, not even remotely close to that.
    I've never had a problem discussing freely. Some folks hate vehemently-tear it all down, kill them, what have you. Others are just uncomfortable with those 'outside' of what they find comfortable. Some harbor hate in their hearts-reminds me of Carter's lust.

    I think most people just want to go about their business, living freely. I agree that their are folks that if they see a member of 'another race' they want to do 'something.' That to me is vehement and dangerous. Mostly those people are not ok in any aspect of living.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's not what I stated. I made my statements clear from the beginning, and then said perhaps as to her statement. I don't know specifically what she meant, but I'm sure she can update more when she sees this.

    Let me ask you, and never mind how she made her comment - do you think there are blacks out there that hate whites with a venom?
    No, I think some hate with a vengeance. You qualified your statements with "if" which was your interpretation of what she meant. But hatred is not necessarily racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    No, I think some hate with a vengeance. You qualified your statements with "if" which was your interpretation of what she meant. But hatred is not necessarily racist.
    Is there any kind of hate that doesn't have vengeance in it? I know that may have been an expression on your part, but but doesn't hate drive a desire for vengeance, it's just a question of whether or not the desire is acted upon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    No, I think some hate with a vengeance. You qualified your statements with "if" which was your interpretation of what she meant. But hatred is not necessarily racist.
    Fine, I'm more than happy to clarify what I mean - there are blacks out there that hate whites with a venom, and it's because they are white, never even met the folks they hate. Anyone believing otherwise is very naive. I've seen it outside in person, and I can post endless videos from blacks speaking about their hatred for white people and wishing death and such, and just because they hate white people.

    Call it vengeance or venom, pretty much the same thing to me. We're talking about people that have a deep rooted hatred for white/black folks, and it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Is there any kind of hate that doesn't have vengeance in it? I know that may have been an expression on your part, but but doesn't hate drive a desire for vengeance, it's just a question of whether or not the desire is acted upon?
    I was poking at the intitial expression. I believe it's hate with a vengeance, not venom. I'm not aware that vengeance is a necessary part of hate. One can hate without having to avenge anything I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I've never had a problem discussing freely. Some folks hate vehemently-tear it all down, kill them, what have you. Others are just uncomfortable with those 'outside' of what they find comfortable. Some harbor hate in their hearts-reminds me of Carter's lust.

    I think most people just want to go about their business, living freely. I agree that their are folks that if they see a member of 'another race' they want to do 'something.' That to me is vehement and dangerous. Mostly those people are not ok in any aspect of living.
    That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Fine, I'm more than happy to clarify what I mean - there are blacks out there that hate whites with a venom, and it's because they are white, never even met the folks they hate. Anyone believing otherwise is very naive. I've seen it outside in person, and I can post endless videos from blacks speaking about their hatred for white people and wishing death and such, and just because they hate white people.

    Call it vengeance or venom, pretty much the same thing to me. We're talking about people that have a deep rooted hatred for white/black folks, and it exists.
    I didn't disagree with you. There are blacks that hate whites and whites that hate blacks. Do blacks have a justification to hate whites? Do whites have a justification to hate blacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.
    I will remember this post nect February when it's black history month, the next time the black caucus meets, the next time I see a billboard for the united negro college fund, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    I didn't disagree with you. There are blacks that hate whites and whites that hate blacks. Do blacks have a justification to hate whites? Do whites have a justification to hate blacks?
    It all depends on the scenario.But in general, as in the masses - no they don't. But hell, there are a lot of whites that are still hated today over slavery - and no way in frickin hell are they justified in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.
    If you constantly point out race and believe that blacks are more likely to engage in that sort of behavior because of their race then you're a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    It all depends on the scenario.But in general, as in the masses - no they don't. But hell, there are a lot of whites that are still hated today over slavery - and no way in frickin hell are they justified in doing so.
    In general whites weren't slaves, segregated against, or subject to Jim Crow laws. They have more justification than whites to hate blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    If you constantly point out race and believe that blacks are more likely to engage in that sort of behavior because of their race then you're a racist.
    You say that same thing pretty much every time - always instantly saying that "if it's because of their race" - when I never said any such thing, and it always revolves around SOLELY posting stats. And then not long after being labeled a racist. Hell, look at you for starters - without me even saying so, you kind of lean in with the "well, if you say it's because of race..." - already kind of hinting. I'm NOT saying you call me a racist, but that's clearly how it starts, but starting in with comments and such that one never stated.

    And I DID state that it comes from BOTH sides. It's just that one is more taboo. You will often hear people saying stuff like "you would never say that in a black neighborhood". Today, we see blacks all over and have no fear whatsoever of jumping on whites. Whether that be in public, in music, social media... But if you're white and dare utter the N word in public just once, see the difference in how it's handled. If you're white, and release a song that has lyrics talking smack about black people, see how well that goes over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's because you discuss generic issues and stories. Try here for starters, and then go other places, and try posting a shitload of crime statistics based on race. Don't blame anything on anything or anyone, just simply point out the facts and stats. It will start off with all kinds of reasons as to why crime shouldn't be separated by race, as it's not really a factor. And then often it will go very quickly from that, to you being a racist for somehow separating the stats by race, even though they come from the FBI and DOJ and such.
    I'll stay generic. I've never denied where different races fall in crime stats or college grad rates or any of the economic issues that are frequently broken down by races.

    Stats by themselves are but a starting point. First are they good or not. Assuming they are good, what are the factors leading to significant deviations between groups, of which race is but one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    In general whites weren't slaves, segregated against, or subject to Jim Crow laws. They have more justification than whites to hate blacks.
    And NO ONE here today was a slave and no one here today held slaves. So to think a black person TODAY has justification to hate a white person as a result - is insane AND racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    In general whites weren't slaves, segregated against, or subject to Jim Crow laws. They have more justification than whites to hate blacks.
    How many years ago were those things again?

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