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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I'll stay generic. I've never denied where different races fall in crime stats or college grad rates or any of the economic issues that are frequently broken down by races.

    Stats by themselves are but a starting point. First are they good or not. Assuming they are good, what are the factors leading to significant deviations between groups, of which race is but one.
    Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    How many years ago were those things again?
    Well reading the board of late, I'd wonder what's up here regarding race if I didn't know the various characters in general.

    Then there are the 'legacies' of those institutions and practices, not too mention the unintended consequences of civil rights legislation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    You say that same thing pretty much every time - always instantly saying that "if it's because of their race" - when I never said any such thing, and it always revolves around SOLELY posting stats. And then not long after being labeled a racist. Hell, look at you for starters - without me even saying so, you kind of lean in with the "well, if you say it's because of race..." - already kind of hinting. I'm NOT saying you call me a racist, but that's clearly how it starts, but starting in with comments and such that one never stated.

    And I DID state that it comes from BOTH sides. It's just that one is more taboo. You will often hear people saying stuff like "you would never say that in a black neighborhood". Today, we see blacks all over and have no fear whatsoever of jumping on whites. Whether that be in public, in music, social media... But if you're white and dare utter the N word in public just once, see the difference in how it's handled. If you're white, and release a song that has lyrics talking smack about black people, see how well that goes over!
    Racism has a definition. If you want to include "hate" in the definition then the number of racists just went up an order or two of magnitude. So many times I hear that "blacks are racist, they hate whites" by someone who might insist that they are not racist when they've just defined themselves as one by the statement they've made.

    The reason that I use "if" is because racism is a belief. I can't look at someone walking down the street and call them a racist (unless they're wearing a t-shirt) but I can suspect someone is by what they say. It's perfectly acceptable to quote DOJ stats and discuss solutions but you need to be careful when defining the problem. If all you see is someone's color then that will determine what you see as a solution which would likely be wrong; if you can look deeper into the statistics, as I've posted before, then you'll see a better solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.
    Nature or nurture?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Violent crimes and rapes, just mention them alone and solely. There is NO factor in this world that would somehow make the high numbers anything other than what they are - which are huge crimes, violent crimes, and they are disproportionate compared to other races. It's not like being poor, lack of good schools, bad parenting, no father or anything really at all in this world that would somehow make them numbers anything but what they are.
    Incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Well reading the board of late, I'd wonder what's up here regarding race if I didn't know the various characters in general.

    Then there are the 'legacies' of those institutions and practices, not too mention the unintended consequences of civil rights legislation.
    The race stuff has increased a LOT, and a lot is explained by Obama - then Baltimore and riots. Trayvon and uprising. Brown and shootings and riots and lies. Then other things the black community had damn good rights to be upset about, and also led to unrest. Add it all up. You rarely if ever see the white communities starting riots and destroying things if a white person is shot by a black person, or an officer involved shooting. And I'm not excusing it or saying it's right, but you see a ton of it, coincidentally while Obama is in office, and out comes the divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    And NO ONE here today was a slave and no one here today held slaves. So to think a black person TODAY has justification to hate a white person as a result - is insane AND racist.
    True. Not so segregation and Jim Crow. And then the liberals decided to "help."

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    How many years ago were those things again?
    Quite some time. The question though was justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Well reading the board of late, I'd wonder what's up here regarding race if I didn't know the various characters in general.

    Then there are the 'legacies' of those institutions and practices, not too mention the unintended consequences of civil rights legislation.
    I feel race relations have gone down hill considerably since Obama was elected. But I don't know that that's all on Obama, although much of it is. Blacks accuse anyone who opposes Obama as being racist. That started right out of the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Racism has a definition. If you want to include "hate" in the definition then the number of racists just went up an order or two of magnitude. So many times I hear that "blacks are racist, they hate whites" by someone who might insist that they are not racist when they've just defined themselves as one by the statement they've made.

    The reason that I use "if" is because racism is a belief. I can't look at someone walking down the street and call them a racist (unless they're wearing a t-shirt) but I can suspect someone is by what they say. It's perfectly acceptable to quote DOJ stats and discuss solutions but you need to be careful when defining the problem. If all you see is someone's color then that will determine what you see as a solution which would likely be wrong; if you can look deeper into the statistics, as I've posted before, then you'll see a better solution.
    I'm not going to argue for the sake of it, nor about the word if. I simply stated that there are in fact blacks out there that hate white folks with a venom. I further stated that you have whites that are the same. I added in that I believe it's kinda taboo to discuss some issues about the blacks though.

    I defined nothing. Again, I'm talking about simply posting a list of stats, and already being declared a racist for doing so. Don't make it more confusing and be and advocate for things I haven't brought up or stated.

    Oh, and "if all you see is someone's color" - again trying to make it sound as if someone said that, or that I did, and making it sound racist. But I never said anything like that. But I am glad that you wrote that, as it's a great example of what happens. But I know, you said IF all you say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Nature or nurture?
    I didn't say anything about either? But regardless, I find NO excuse in this world for someone to rape another person, for example. I don't care if they were raised an nurtured as such or whatever. Unless they are mentally retarded and have no clue about laws in this world.

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    What is Jim's definition of if?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    Incorrect.
    No, it's correct, but not surprising that you might find excuses for rape, murder or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    I feel race relations have gone down hill considerably since Obama was elected. But I don't know that that's all on Obama, although much of it is. Blacks accuse anyone who opposes Obama as being racist. That started right out of the gate.
    But that's only because of factors in their lives, not because they are racist or want to raise the race card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    What is Jim's definition of if?
    I don't care, I'd rather speak about issues and facts than play word games and semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    But that's only because of factors in their lives, not because they are racist or want to raise the race card.
    It's the cops' fault.

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