Pretty Well Sums It Up

[pete311]

The only conclusion I have come up with is why people would choose scientific theory over God is they just don't want to have to answer to Him in the end and delude themselves into thinking they can opt out with a bunch of lame crap that sounds worse than a religion.

hmmm or maybe because they don't want to die from Polio... Did God make that Polio vaccine? You do realize that you are typing on a machine that implements hundreds of years of scientific theory, right?

Religion didn't need to come into this debate. You brought it in needlessly.

[Drummond]

hmmm or maybe because they don't want to die from Polio... Did God make that Polio vaccine? You do realize that you are typing on a machine that implements hundreds of years of scientific theory, right?

Religion didn't need to come into this debate. You brought it in needlessly.

.. and tell me .. what made the very creation of the matter that you, I, all our computers, EVERYTHING in fact, possible ?

Science has no ultimate explanation for any of it, much less actual proof.

Who, or what, gave YOU the ability to produce one coherent (however thoroughly misguided) thought, Pete ? Because if it was God ... if God made us all capable of intelligent thought ... then, Pete, however indirectly, God DID make 'that polio vaccine ...' ...

.. chew on that one, my son ...

[pete311]

Who, or what, gave YOU the ability to produce one coherent (however thoroughly misguided) thought, Pete ? Because if it was God ... if God made us all capable of intelligent thought ... then, Pete, however indirectly, God DID make 'that polio vaccine ...' ...

.. chew on that one, my son ...

Then God did so using scientific theory. Scientists didn't learn the laws of physics from a tablet on a mountain. Chew on that.

[fj1200]

Religion didn't need to come into this debate. You brought it in needlessly.

.. and tell me .. what made the very creation of the matter that you, I, all our computers, EVERYTHING in fact, possible ?

Science is science and God is God.

[fj1200]

Then God did so using scientific theory. Scientists didn't learn the laws of physics from a tablet on a mountain. Chew on that.

Umm, God created the scientific theory.

[Drummond]

Then God did so using scientific theory. Scientists didn't learn the laws of physics from a tablet on a mountain. Chew on that.

What is the origin of all the 'laws' the physical Universe operates by, Pete ? By whose DESIGN were they created .. and with such sophistication that today's best minds are STILL trying to grasp it all .. ????

Whatever mind was responsible, it was obviously 'pre-Universe'. Or, pre EVERYTHING we regard as defining the very boundaries of our own existence. In other words ... ONLY a GOD could possibly qualify .... yes ?

Chew on THAT ....

[pete311]

What is the origin of all the 'laws' the physical Universe operates by, Pete ? By whose DESIGN were they created .. and with such sophistication that today's best minds are STILL trying to grasp it all .. ????

Whatever mind was responsible, it was obviously 'pre-Universe'. Or, pre EVERYTHING we regard as defining the very boundaries of our own existence. In other words ... ONLY a GOD could possibly qualify .... yes ?

Chew on THAT ....

I haven't the foggiest idea what you are blathering about here. What does this have to do with scientists using scientific theory? Clearly you have not read a history book.

I feel like you are claiming we don't have free will? Everything has been determined? No one but God is responsible for everything? Even Evil? Even still the fact remains that scientists controlled by God used scientific theory to create our modern world.

[Drummond]

I haven't the foggiest idea what you are blathering about here. What does this have to do with scientists using scientific theory? Clearly you have not read a history book.

I feel like you are claiming we don't have free will? Everything has been determined? No one but God is responsible for everything? Even Evil? Even still the fact remains that scientists controlled by God used scientific theory to create our modern world.

Talking of 'reading a book' ... has it occurred to you that scientists, inventing scientific theory and then trying to make it fit into reality, are akin to someone not only trying to read a book, but trying to learn the language it was written in ?

The 'book' is the Universe, and all that comprises it. Scientists are merely coming up with theories which fit their understanding of what they're trying to 'read'. The 'language' of existence is already determined, and completely written. Scientists are nothing more than stumbling translators of it, far from expert, learning as they go.

Do we have free will ? How do any of us determine if we do ? BUT ... by the same token, how do any of us determine that we DON'T ?

Scientists are welcome to try and come up with scientific theory that can get to the truth of THAT ... except of course, that they have no possible way of doing so, either way. Do they ?? So ... scientific theory has its drawbacks !! It cannot possibly - confidently - settle on the WHOLE truth of existence.

Ah, but, believe in God, and all that He says ... and, you plug some gaps. Don't you ?

Still chewing, Pete ?

[DLT]

Ok Gunny, DLT,

If you guys are getting my weather a few hours later, the temps dropped about 10 degrees in early afternoon. Spotty thundershowers. Temps rising again.

I got lucky ....the bad storms and golf ball sized hail missed my area (went further north to Allen and Denton). Just a little drizzle this am, cool and cloudy today. I'm thinking tomorrow it will be bright and clear again.

[pete311]

Talking of 'reading a book' ... has it occurred to you that scientists, inventing scientific theory and then trying to make it fit into reality, are akin to someone not only trying to read a book, but trying to learn the language it was written in ?

The 'book' is the Universe, and all that comprises it. Scientists are merely coming up with theories which fit their understanding of what they're trying to 'read'. The 'language' of existence is already determined, and completely written. Scientists are nothing more than stumbling translators of it, far from expert, learning as they go.

And somehow they managed to land a man on the moon, create us 4K LED TVs, electric cars, F-22 fighter jets, control nuclear power, GPS mapping, organ transplants, brain implants, vaccines, DNA editing but yeah we really don't know what we're doing. Dumb luck! Do you live in a cave? Are you caught up on modern advances?

It cannot possibly - confidently - settle on the WHOLE truth of existence.

In the meantime I'll keep my 4K TV and fiber optic internet, you keep your God.

If you are anti-science why they hell are you using a computer? Scientists are just guessing that it won't blow up in your face and kill you. Why would you trust them?

[DLT]

And it sucks. I'm used to running around in shorts in April.

I've been in shorts most of April already. Finally had to put on long pants today since it's a bit rainy and cooler. Back to shorts tomorrow tho! (yay!)

[Kathianne]

I got lucky ....the bad storms and golf ball sized hail missed my area (went further north to Allen and Denton). Just a little drizzle this am, cool and cloudy today. I'm thinking tomorrow it will be bright and clear again.

Likely, 80's today.

[Gunny]

I've been in shorts most of April already. Finally had to put on long pants today since it's a bit rainy and cooler. Back to shorts tomorrow tho! (yay!)

I hear ya. I wish this crap would just do one thing or the other and knock off this Springtime crap. I'm used to SA heat, not this I-40 stuff. I waited all last summer for summer, listening to people complaining about how hot they thought it was. They got NO idea what hot is.

[Drummond]

This is too easy ... !! ....

And somehow they managed to land a man on the moon, create us 4K LED TVs, electric cars, F-22 fighter jets, control nuclear power, GPS mapping, organ transplants, brain implants, vaccines, DNA editing but yeah we really don't know what we're doing. Dumb luck! Do you live in a cave? Are you caught up on modern advances?

Yes, they did. And .. they did ALL of that, using materials, within a physical Universe operating on finite rules and specifications which scream 'DESIGN' ... because all that was there in the first place, just waiting to be utilised. Scientists took much time, within their respective fields, to slowly but surely make the necessary conceptual advances which they could translate into something workable.

Landing a man on the Moon ... an astronomical body of finite structure, finite properties, orbiting in a set orbit .. all of these factors pre-set, regardless of scientific interest and study. The materials, technologies, everything that went into making the Moon flight possible, landing and return ditto, thanks to pre-set laws and existing materials which could then be translated into the creation of the reality of such a journey !

The very same is true of every other example you've supplied. NONE of those would be possible if pre-set laws of physics hadn't been discovered, translated into something workable, to create into things ... to be superseded in the future by other things far less primitive, as yet MORE of our reality is translated and converted into utilities ?

I say again: scientists are mere translators of a pre-set, designed, reality. They learn as they go. They're still learning, still building, still advancing .. much as children progress along a process of education in their lives.

You consign your total faith, if you insist, to the bumbling 'learn-as-we-go' minds who no doubt perceive rather less than they THINK they do of our reality. Me ... I'll go further, and have faith in the Creator of it all, thanks very much ...

In the meantime I'll keep my 4K TV and fiber optic internet, you keep your God.

Since God is the source of all reality, you cannot help but keep BOTH .. whether you like it, or not.

If you are anti-science why they hell are you using a computer? Scientists are just guessing that it won't blow up in your face and kill you. Why would you trust them?

Unless I'm mistaken, not every computer ever built has been safe to use ??

Besides, I'm not anti-science. Far from it. I simply recognise the realities of what they do, and achieve, and how limited science ultimately is, rather more completely than you do yourself.

[Elessar]

It's pretty obvious it's not being used as pure humor but as a political and scientific statement.

O.K...

Gotta ask you:

Why do you always respond like a spoiled spoon-pounding brat?

In your liberal nature to get butt-hurt all the frikkin time?