Iwo Jima

[indago]

From The Associated Press 2 May 2016:
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The Marine Corps says it has begun investigating whether it mistakenly identified one of the men shown raising the U.S. flag at Iwo Jima in one of the iconic images of World War II after two amateur history buffs began raising questions about the picture. The Marines announced its inquiry more than a year after Eric Krelle, of Omaha, Nebraska, and Stephen Foley, of Wexford, Ireland, began raising doubts about the identity of one man.

...After some confusion, the Marines identified the men as John Bradley, Rene Gagnon, Ira Hayes, Harlon Block, Michael Strank and Franklin Sousley. All were Marines except Bradley, who was a Navy corpsman. Block, Strank and Sousley were killed in fighting at Iwo Jima before the photo was distributed in the U.S.

...After examining the famous photo along with other pictures taken that day of the men, they concluded that the man identified as Bradley was actually Harold Henry Schultz, a private first class from Detroit. Schultz died in 1995.
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[Gunny]

From The Associated Press 2 May 2016:
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The Marine Corps says it has begun investigating whether it mistakenly identified one of the men shown raising the U.S. flag at Iwo Jima in one of the iconic images of World War II after two amateur history buffs began raising questions about the picture. The Marines announced its inquiry more than a year after Eric Krelle, of Omaha, Nebraska, and Stephen Foley, of Wexford, Ireland, began raising doubts about the identity of one man.

...After some confusion, the Marines identified the men as John Bradley, Rene Gagnon, Ira Hayes, Harlon Block, Michael Strank and Franklin Sousley. All were Marines except Bradley, who was a Navy corpsman. Block, Strank and Sousley were killed in fighting at Iwo Jima before the photo was distributed in the U.S.

...After examining the famous photo along with other pictures taken that day of the men, they concluded that the man identified as Bradley was actually Harold Henry Schultz, a private first class from Detroit. Schultz died in 1995.
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This is stupid. You goofballs have too much time on your hands. His name is simple. United States Marine. Private, PFC, Lance Corporal. Who the f*ck cares?

And which flag raising are we speaking of? The original was with a storm flag carried by a Marine in his shirt. The Joe Rosenthal version was a parade flag raised later. Either way, it doesn't matter. ANY Marine on Iwo Jima that would skyline himself to plant our colors in a hot combat zone is getting covering fire from me. And not to be left out, there was a squid in there too.

[indago]

Journalist Michael Schmidt wrote for The New York Times 3 May 2016:
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...the man who wrote the best-selling book, which chronicled how his father and five Marines came together to lift the flag in the famous photograph, has raised new doubts about the image, saying that he now believes his father is not actually in it. The author, James Bradley, revealed his conclusion in an interview on Tuesday... He said that his father, John, a Navy corpsman, had participated in raising a flag on Iwo Jima on Feb. 23, 1945, but had not taken part in another flag-raising the same day, which became the famous photograph.

His father, he said, probably thought that the first flag-raising was the one that was captured in the famous picture taken by Joe Rosenthal, a photographer for The Associated Press. Mr. Bradley’s doubts tell a story about the fog of war, the efforts of a son to memorialize his father and the apparent willingness of the Marines to at first brush aside questions about one of their most historic moments.
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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Journalist Michael Schmidt wrote for The New York Times 3 May 2016:
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...the man who wrote the best-selling book, which chronicled how his father and five Marines came together to lift the flag in the famous photograph, has raised new doubts about the image, saying that he now believes his father is not actually in it. The author, James Bradley, revealed his conclusion in an interview on Tuesday... He said that his father, John, a Navy corpsman, had participated in raising a flag on Iwo Jima on Feb. 23, 1945, but had not taken part in another flag-raising the same day, which became the famous photograph.

His father, he said, probably thought that the first flag-raising was the one that was captured in the famous picture taken by Joe Rosenthal, a photographer for The Associated Press. Mr. Bradley’s doubts tell a story about the fog of war, the efforts of a son to memorialize his father and the apparent willingness of the Marines to at first brush aside questions about one of their most historic moments.
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Every man that fought on that hellhole was a hero!!
The japs fought as bitterly there as anywhere they ever fought.
Marines showed their true colors there--honor, bravery and supreme sacrifice for country..
Famous photo error or not, nothing can diminish what all those men did in such a bitterly contested battle..
Want to read -to see bravery watch , read about and study IWO JIMA, MANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF AMERICAN BRAVERY UNDER FIRE EXIST but none are better IMHO. -TYR

[Gunny]

Every man that fought on that hellhole was a hero!!
The japs fought as bitterly there as anywhere they ever fought.
Marines showed their true colors there--honor, bravery and supreme sacrifice for country..
Famous photo error or not, nothing can diminish what all those men did in such a bitterly contested battle..
Want to read -to see bravery watch , read about and study IWO JIMA, MANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF AMERICAN BRAVERY UNDER FIRE EXIST but none are better IMHO. -TYR

I don't even know why this is an issue. Why are these attention seekers always trying to rewrite the past to shine the light on themselves? Geez. I'd have been scared sh*tless to get off a gator onto that island. There's just nowhere to go there. The Japs had a habit of letting us land, THEN nailing us where there was no cover. There is NO cover on Iwo Jima. And that island, as well as Okinawa, is honeycombed with caves. It's like playing Whacka-a-Mole with bullets. They'd pop up and shoot your ass.

As previously stated, it doesn't matter who raised the flag. And we Marines LIKE our Docs (Navy Corpsmen). They go where we go.

[indago]

As previously stated, it doesn't matter who raised the flag.

It matters to the historians...

[Gunny]

It matters to the historians...

It shouldn't. My name is Marine. Gunnery Sergeant. Doing my duty is relevant. My name matters only to my family. And don't give me that "historian" crap. They've falsified more history than Carter has little liver pills. This is an attention whore making something out of nothing. Kinda like this thread.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't even know why this is an issue. Why are these attention seekers always trying to rewrite the past to shine the light on themselves? Geez. I'd have been scared sh*tless to get off a gator onto that island. There's just nowhere to go there. The Japs had a habit of letting us land, THEN nailing us where there was no cover. There is NO cover on Iwo Jima. And that island, as well as Okinawa, is honeycombed with caves. It's like playing Whacka-a-Mole with bullets. They'd pop up and shoot your ass.

As previously stated, it doesn't matter who raised the flag. And we Marines LIKE our Docs (Navy Corpsmen). They go where we go.

As previously stated, it doesn't matter who raised the flag. And we Marines LIKE our Docs (Navy Corpsmen).

Thats "corpse man", you spelled it wrong--just ask the genius obama on that.
And the leftist/dem media lies about at worms intelligence level with abandon.
I'd bet anybody a 20 spot that the ffing bastard barely has average IQ...
Hell, I was smarter than him when I was 12 years old.. 57 states my ass-what a genius!! -Tyr

[indago]

It shouldn't. My name is Marine. Gunnery Sergeant. Doing my duty is relevant. My name matters only to my family. And don't give me that "historian" crap. They've falsified more history than Carter has little liver pills. This is an attention whore making something out of nothing. Kinda like this thread.

We know you're not interested in facts, just BullShit: YOUR BullShit...

[Gunny]

We know you're not interested in facts, just BullShit: YOUR BullShit...

That what you think, loser? How much sea time do you have on your IDR? Bet you haven't deployed out of mommy's basement. I don't care about this bullshit. The only reason I know Ira Hayes name is because they made a movie about him. The rest are named Marines. That's what we call ourselves you dipshit.

Marines come and go but the Corps lives on. You're stupid as a fucking stick. Why don't you run your lame ass down to the recruiter and sign your punk ass up? You can find out what it's all about.

[indago]

Ol' Huff'nPuff has cacaphoniously cackled: "That what you think... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)"

You are, no doubt, basing your incoherent rambling rant on the preposterous premise that I actually give a shit what you think.

[Gunny]

Ol' Huff'nPuff has cacaphoniously cackled: "That what you think... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)"

You are, no doubt, basing your incoherent rambling rant on the preposterous premise that I actually give a shit what you think.

My so-called "rambling rant" is based on I was there. Where were you? I KNOW what being a jarhead is. You just read crap on the internet and think you're an expert. I'd have broke you down so fast you'd have thought you were a breech loading shotgun. I earned my fucking title the hard way. I don't sit around here pretending to be anything else like you who thinks you know everything about everything.

You have NO idea what's like to be a Marine. Don't profane the name with your dirty lips unless you get your ass out there and earn it. I can call ANY military person on this board anything I like, and they do likewise back. We EARNED that right. You haven't earned the right to do shit but mouth off on the internet from mommy's basement. That screen in front of your face doesn't make you our equal on our playing field.

The landing on Iwo Jima was 80 years ago. And every one of those swinging d*cks is a hero in my book. We don't know each other by name except Marine and Sailor. Uniform and rank. Four jarheads and a squid raised the flag. THAT is their name. That is by no means being stupid. It's the real world.

[aboutime]

It matters to the historians...

Sure it does. The same so-called, false historians who are writing their own versions of History by using Wikipedia....where the Liberal Mindless, Gutless, and Dumbest congregate to welcome the indago wannabe human clones of ignorance.

[Gunny]

Sure it does. The same so-called, false historians who are writing their own versions of History by using Wikipedia....where the Liberal Mindless, Gutless, and Dumbest congregate to welcome the indago wannabe human clones of ignorance.

He doesn't know sh*t. Being at sea for months. Looking over the fantail every night at the phosphorous the screws churn up. But he knows more than we do. He couldn't hang.

[indago]

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