Remember this maggot???

[Black Diamond]

Simple answer: they aren't vets. Took me awhile to figure that one out too. They don't talk like us. I don't get it. I just understand it for what it is. I got what you meant the second I read it. We're desensitized. They aren't. You got to take them for who they are.

I've said this before. We haven't been through boot camp.

[Elessar]

Simple answer: they aren't vets. Took me awhile to figure that one out too. They don't talk like us. I don't get it. I just understand it for what it is. I got what you meant the second I read it. We're desensitized. They aren't. You got to take them for who they are.

I should have said that it was a rhetorical question!

[Elessar]

I've said this before. We haven't been through boot camp.

BD...it does not take boot camp. Some of this stuff is far above basic training.
The first 6 months of an enlistment or officer appointment is a probationary period.
You acquire more exposure and knowledge as you go up in rank or paygrade.

There are at least 5 of us here that are quite familiar with a topic such as this.
It is hopeful that those who are not will learn from us! It would clear up a
whole lot of misconceptions!

No offense meant, either!

[Gunny]

I've said this before. We haven't been through boot camp.

I understand. I meant no insult at all. It is what it is especially for those of us that stayed for the full ride. It isn't about boot camp. The sarcasm is a coping mechanism. We don't have time to stand around and cry. Again, no insult intended. It's just a different mindset. We are programmed to accomplish a mission regardless who gets hurt or dies. Why do you think we're all goofed up? We sit around after the fact and what you've seen plays over and over in your head.

We're ALL smartasses. That's just how we deal. You get shot? You'll be accused of trying to get out of work. I got ragged on mercilessly when I broke my ankles and blew out my knee. By a bunch of junior ass troops. "The Sgt's just trying to get of PT".

We threaten to kill each other several times a day. Hell, if no one threatens to kill you, you feel left out. We will make fun of anything. And as I've said on numerous occasions, I make a lousy civilian. I've been retired for 16 years and still don't get y'all. So it's not a one-way street. Y'all do the goofiest, most inefficient and pointless shit.

AND ... I am only trying to explain a mindset. Y'all want to piss on each other, I'm not going to be the guy in the middle. I just don't think it's worth it over a misunderstanding.

[Gunny]

BD...it does not take boot camp. Some of this stuff is far above basic training.
The first 6 months of an enlistment or officer appointment is a probationary period.
You acquire more exposure and knowledge as you go up in rank or paygrade.

There are at least 5 of us here that are quite familiar with a topic such as this.
It is hopeful that those who are not will learn from us! It would clear up a
whole lot of misconceptions!

No offense meant, either!

They don't get it and I quit expecting them to. Just like we don't get them. I just try and be careful and know who I'm talking to. And I agree that IMO you meant no offense. When you want to be a smartass squid, remember your audience.

[fj1200]

It sure looked as such. I said the whole issue did not pass the smell
test. It does not matter if the prosecution opened to topic or not.
To leave it to a judge to make a decision as to admissible or not,
concerning classified material, just raises red flags by those of us
who have carried clearances.

And to release these pre-trial statements concerning the content of
the case is piss-poor judgement by someone.

Didn't look that way to me. Nevertheless that's what judges do. They make decisions to admissibility all the time; it becomes news in a high profile case.

[Gunny]

Didn't look that way to me. Nevertheless that's what judges do. They make decisions to admissibility all the time; it becomes news in a high profile case.

But you think like a civilian. WE are judge and jury in the field. I'm not going to sit there and debate who does what. You move or people die. We don't have the luxury of second guessing ourselves. You can Monday morning QB all you want but when you're on the spot, you make a decision.

And i don't feel special. I'd hate to be a firefighter. But judging us for the decisions we make when you got a half a second to make them is just bull. First responders are called that for a reason. We have to make split second judgements. If we paid attention to what was going on and who was hurt, we could all break down and cry. Instead, we carry the f- on. We get to cry later.

[fj1200]

But you think like a civilian. WE are judge and jury in the field. I'm not going to sit there and debate who does what. You move or people die. We don't have the luxury of second guessing ourselves. You can Monday morning QB all you want but when you're on the spot, you make a decision.

And i don't feel special. I'd hate to be a firefighter. But judging us for the decisions we make when you got a half a second to make them is just bull. First responders are called that for a reason. We have to make split second judgements. If we paid attention to what was going on and who was hurt, we could all break down and cry. Instead, we carry the f- on. We get to cry later.

I think I'm about to set a record for agreeing with you 100% in one single thread.

I've not been where you were/are by any stretch and I don't pretend to sit in judgement of anyone. What's-his-name will be judged on his actions by folks like you as he should be and his trial will be overseen by military judges as it should be. I appreciate the educated insight that you and CSM bring to the discussion.

[Gunny]

I think I'm about to set a record for agreeing with you 100% in one single thread.

I've not been where you were/are by any stretch and I don't pretend to sit in judgement of anyone. What's-his-name will be judged on his actions by folks like you as he should be and his trial will be overseen by military judges as it should be. I appreciate the educated insight that you and CSM bring to the discussion.

What I don't like is nobody listens. You create us. And I will quote: "Did I request thee father to make me man?' Then you shun us. You don't try to understand us. You just use us then throw us away.

Then some pussy comes along and tries to make some dirtbag some kind of hero. I've watched people bleed out. On the fucking line. You run away? You're lower than whale shit in the Trench. And you let me, CSM, elessar, namvet. aboutime sit on this court martial. We're all field vets. I'm thinking firing squad. Ain't going to be no mercy.

[Elessar]

What I don't like is nobody listens. You create us. And I will quote: "Did I request thee father to make me man?' Then you shun us. You don't try to understand us. You just use us then throw us away.

Then some pussy comes along and tries to make some dirtbag some kind of hero. I've watched people bleed out. On the fucking line. You run away? You're lower than whale shit in the Trench. And you let me, CSM, elessar, namvet. aboutime sit on this court martial. We're all field vets. I'm thinking firing squad. Ain't going to be no mercy.

I stood as Bailiff and Master-at-Arms in one Court Martial when the accused was charged with
17 counts of sexual assault and / or abuse of female recruits. He held a position in the Gym there
that I once had.

The defense attorney, a Navy LT, asked me at the end of the first day - opening remarks - what
I thought should be the outcome. In standing in the court, I am neutral! But I told that lawyer that
he should be given the maximum punishment allowed because it was an embarrassment to the
Training Center Command and the Coast Guard.

[Elessar]

I think I'm about to set a record for agreeing with you 100% in one single thread.

I've not been where you were/are by any stretch and I don't pretend to sit in judgement of anyone. What's-his-name will be judged on his actions by folks like you as he should be and his trial will be overseen by military judges as it should be. I appreciate the educated insight that you and CSM bring to the discussion.

Good on You, FJ!

[Gunny]

I stood as Bailiff and Master-at-Arms in one Court Martial when the accused was charged with
17 counts of sexual assault and / or abuse of female recruits. He held a position in the Gym there
that I once had.

The defense attorney, a Navy LT, asked me at the end of the first day - opening remarks - what
I thought should be the outcome. In standing in the court, I am neutral! But I told that lawyer that
he should be given the maximum punishment allowed because it was an embarrassment to the
Training Center Command and the Coast Guard.

It's called doing your duty. You couldn't put me as MAA on this one. Bergahl is a traitor and a deserter. No way am I keeping an unbiased view. You don't desert your bro's. That's an unforgivable sin.